Hi, some of you already know me anyway I'm going to try to write a rant about my life + I'm not the best in English spelling

I was a pretty normal kid true my younger years 0-8 but then I started gaining a lot of weight becouse of medication and eating way to much junk. I was/am apathic and not sociable. I hated/hate school. Anywayz when I was 13 I started dieting, real hard I lost a lot of weight and I became anorexic. I was obsessed with sports so I was doing 7/7 1hour cardio on a bike. My mind was always on food and I really mean every second of the day. I began gaining weight when I started bodybuilding and offcourse family and other people where telling me I got fat again which really messed with my mind even further. I have no confidence, I'm still obsessed with food and training and I watch every person who walks by who has a lean face or can eat anything without gaining fat. I'm actually just fucking jalous. Now I'm 17 not happy with the way I look and I'm worried how people think of my when they look at me.
Also I appologize to Twin Peak becouse I'm a lame ass and I can't stick to a program.

I'm going to give my stats again and my diet/training.

17 Years old
71.4kg
180cm
waist: 30 inch
15% bf

I'm training every day : 4 times weighttraining(+ cardio sometimes), 3 times HIIT cardio.

Diet:

7:15: low fat cheese/ cottage cheese 500 gr 45P 15C 0F

10:10: 2 scoops whey 46P 6C 3F

12:05: 150gr whole weat bread 13P 60C 4F
80gr cheese 30P 0C 10F

15:40 2 scoops whey 46P 6C 4F

17:30 mostly chicken/steak with whole weat bread or pasta
45P 60C 15F

20:30 cottage cheese 45P 15C 0F

AS you see I'm cutting right now.
I'm back to training max-ot again.

Supps I'm taking : LG mass, fish oil, sesathin, on's whey, multi pro 32x
I ordered: chizzled, lipoderm-ultra, vitA, ephedra hcl

My q's

1) Is there anybody who want to train me and set up a better diet program, I am ready to set a feedback journal here and even paying you ( please have merci I'm a student )

2) Could I change my bodyfat set point and get a leaner phenotype, is it possible?

3) How can I change my attitude, confidence etc.?

These are some q's but not all of them, I hope you guys are understanding and willing to help me.

Regards,



-Clint- Who is depressed

1) I think we'll all help you, no money required. But part of being helped is meeting the 'helpee' half way. Thus, you must have the motivation to make positive changes.
2) Sans continual use of androgens or repartitioning agents like leptigen? Unlikey. But that doesn't mean you can't become more muscular and leaner and etc.
3) That's a damn good question. Everyone of us goes through periods where we feel like shit. We all bust are asses, and sometimes the results don't coordinate well. The part about you not being able to stick with a program is a good place to start. Supps and diet look ok, but coordinate your carbohydrate intake around the time you train and when waking, if you are cutting. Also, i'd ditch the max-ot, and move to a 2x+ per week schedule. Nothing horribly wrong with working 1x per week, plenty of people have gotten hyooooge, but i'd switch to a 2x especially when cutting.

I can answer #3.

Arnold gave a lot of advice in his bodybuilding book but the best nugget I got out of it was that your mind is extremely powerful. Once you have control of your mind, you can do anything you want.

You need to believe in yourself as corny as it sounds.

Clint,
I'll try to help you out b/c I can sympathize w/you.I never got so far as to become anorexic but my eating/training habits were extremely obsessive and overall pretty fucked in the head,so I know what you're going through.As far as confidence w/girls,I'm still a big wuss w/no game but I've got my occasional moments.As long as you express genuine interest and a passion in something in life besides bodybuilding/vanity etc. women will be attracted to you.In the meantime intil you find your niche,so to speak,get a script for wellbutrin,mainly intended for anxiety/depression.You'd do well to drop the epedrine as that induces anxiety like fuck and opt for pseudoephedrine HCL,which is the main ingrediant in Sudafed.You have to take a lOT of it to get the equivilant fat burning aspect you get from ephedrine but it's worth it b/c it doesn't create mood swings/anxiety like ephedrine does.I don't know the dosage offhand but I'll either PM it to you or add it to this thread later.

Here's a spilt I used a while back w/the basis of low reps,heavier weights while cutting to maintain strergth/LBM.
Seeing as you have LG Mass at your disposal you may be able to put on some LBM while in a cal deficit/dropping fat.
Your diet has to be fine tuned and it has too many carbs right now.
A better example is below.I put the two meals w/carbs in them close to the end of the day,assuming you lift after work/school but if not just switch them to your custum work out time.Drink as much diet soda,diet ice tea as you want..although diet ice tea is healthier,they will be effective appetite quenchers.

Also,what is your natural body type like,a mesomorph,an endo?LG Rebirth might be good for you so LMK.


meal 1
7 AM

1/2 capful Sesathin,
3 fish oil pills,
1 spoonful of psyllium husk for fiber intake/appetite reduction
1 serving of Infusion or 1.5 servings Evopro,mixed w/water
....either of these contain both fast & slow releasing protiens so eat your next meal around 5 hours after this one....45 G protien,low carbs about 350 cals

meal 2
12 PM

decent sized grilled chicken breast(seasoned b/c plain chicken is ass out) w/1 cup steamed broccoli 300 cals


meal 3
3PM
pre-workout

Myoplex (regular )shake w/water (contains both fast and slow protiens and over 20 G carbs so you don't have to eat 3 hours later and can wait 4-5 if possible)and 1 med sized apple(good source of carbs and contains pectin,an appetite suppresent)
...325 cals Take 60 G of alpha lipoic acid (ALA) w/1 glass of water 10 minutes before this meal to shuttle carbs towards muscle cells/energy and to avoid them being stored as fat

meal 4
around 6-7 PM,eat it as soon as you can post work out.
1/2 banana
1 medium baked potatoe,dry w/pepper/salt
10 G whey w/5 G creatine in water
chunk 'o lean grilled steak w/some steak sauce...i like to throw some sautted(sp) onions,green/red peppers on it for flavor....50 G protien,50 G carbs around 500 cals...take 500 mg ALA before this meal too.


meal 5
between 8-9 PM
1 small bag of Pemmican beef jerky 25 G protien
3 fish oil pills
1/2 capful Sesathin...about 200 cals

meal 6
between 10-11 PM
1 spoonful of psyllium husk
a blended protein shake(mostly casien) 2/around 40 G protein and 200 cals
And of course consume your LG Mass as the bottle indicates around /during your workout.

That puts your daily total @ around 1900 cals,custom tailor that to 10 cals per pound of your current body weight if it doesn't match.One day a week I'd take in an extra 300-500 cals,eaten around your heavist,most demanding workout.

Additional supplements that would help....chocamine 6 G per day,split in 3 divided doses

Guggulbolic Extreme 6 pills per day in 3 divided doses

5 g creatine monohydrate post w/o


Alright,I know I said I'd hook you up w/a split but this took a long time to write and I have other shit to do right now so I'll get back to this thread later w/a full split for you.

Colin you've been really helpful as well as Gazza and eru.

Well I train after my 5th meal. If I reduce my 3th meal to 75gr whole weat bread that's 30gr carbs less a day.

My biggest meal pre-workout consists of 60gr carbs

this would reduce my cals to 1877.7

57% Protein / 28% CHO / 15% Fat

thanks for the support fellow's

Ow yeah, I have the body structure of an ecto but my eating disorders : junky fatty to skinny fat to a little bit muscular haven't done good

I will order leptigen rebirth later with maybe some heat.

The current stack will be :

Chizzled: 6caps/day
Lipoderm-ultra: 4squirts x 2
Omega-3 1000mg: 6caps
multi pro 32x: 1cap
Sesathin: 2 caps
On's whey: 3scoops

my leptigen mass is almost empty, I must have gained some mass becouse I normal lose weight at 2000cals but my weight stayed the same.

Anyway LG rebirth how many servings should I take when I have it which will be in a couple off weeks.

Also next week I'm going on a trip with school to Croatie, So I only will be doing cardio, running.
When I come back I will cut till September.
I'm a bit more motivated now, thanks fellas

-Clint- summerbreeze

IMO you have taken teh fisrt step by reslising that it can be changed and tht it would be helpful to you to do so.

One of the most accesable authors for advice on changing is Tony Robbins. Bandler and Grinder the founders of NLP have some great books but they are sometimes difficult to interpret as they were taken from seminar transcripts or are very dry and theoretical.

changing beliefs by Paul Scheele is a tape to try is a 'paraliminal' his term for a dichotic tape that induces a hypnotic trance and uses NLP type phrases to induce change.

Hope this helps

Bryan

Clint I'm glad I could help,LMK if there's anything else i can do,i can certainly empathize with you.

Dose the LG Rebirth twice per day and I'd only dose the Sesathin at slightly over 1/2 capful twice a day,which will work out to around 1500 mg,the suggested dosage.2 caps a day will be too costly.


I've never used HEAT but it sounds like the best fat burner out there,b/c it doesn't induce/accentuate anxiety like E or C does.

No offense to UK-OK but fuck Tony Robbins and the rest of those tarts.Get some henry Rollins spoken word CD's,read some jack Kerouac...first it's Robbins,then before you know it you're taping Oprah 5 days a week

Well here's the split i talked about before:

day 1
hang clean 3 sets,5 reps
flat BB bench press 3x5
incline DB bench press 3x5
bent over BB rows 3x5
chins 3x5

day 2
squats 5x3
SLDL 3x5
jumping lunges 3x5
grip/wrist work
ab work

day 3
push press 3x5
power snatch 3x5
shrugs 3x5
CG bench 3x5
DB pullover/flat bench3x5
ballistic push ups 3x5

day 4
front squats 3x5
sumo DL 3x3
BB hack squat 3x5
abs
grip/wrist work


take one day of rest per week,that includes no cardio.Do HIIT cardio on the other 2 non lifting days and insert those 2 days when you feel like your body could use the rest the most.Occasionally,like 2 times per month,do clean cardio in place of HIIT cardio but watch for overtraining.
i'd do this splity for 1 month,stopping before the shit gets stale.You don't want to go all out to failure but should be going one rep shy of failure on these exercises w/as short as rest periods as you can stand.

Drop me a PM w/your email address and I'll forward you 2 threads where Zeppelin and Tkarrde hooked me up w/splits for cutting.Both of those guys are well informed cats who know their shit and their routines worked well for me so I might as well spread da wealth

Back to your diet,60G of carbs and another 75 G carbs is fine for BULKING but quite excessive for cutting/fat loss.25 G pre and another 25 G post is sufficient,a little more would be alright though but what you have alloted is too damn much.And the last thing/type of carbs you want is low GI carbs from whole wheat bread post w/o,let alone 75 G worth of that shit.

Clint,

I'll jump in later on today or tomorrow, with some thoughts - or rather, with perspective. I don't like to half-ass my way through matters such as this.

Though, for now, I'll leave you with some questions that you should ask yourself. You can answer them here, if you wish, for it's easier for you to gather your own perspective, when you lay down your motives.

- What do you think being lean would accomplish? How would it make you feel - rather, how do you think you'd feel?

- More importantly, why?

- Endomorphs, or at least those who don't possess a natural tendency to remain inordinately lean, typically can add a great deal of muscle mass. Would it not give you more pleasure to explore the boundaries of your genetics, to your God-given potential? What stops you - a desire for acceptance? Note, this isn't necessarily bad, in itself. Rather, it's why, how, and from whom, you seek it.

- When the last time you experienced any moment of pleasure? When lifting, as well, or at least when goal-setting in the context of physical activity.


Do note, that there's nothing wrong with seeking professional help, if your personal situation leaves you feeling desperate, lost, and on the verge of self-destruction.

The answer may not be a set program or diet - it may be a shift in how you view yourself, and your goals; learning how to experience pleasure, moment to moment, as a result, instead of looking at a possible future at a distance, while suffering in the present.


I'll around with more at some point soon.

hi dante,

-I think it would make me feel a lot better

-why, becouse of hearing crap I'm fat which really messes me up, yep even family says this.

-I have no tendencies to become a pro in anyway, str8flexed-type yes.
Exercice in form of weight training and cardio give me a good feeling, another is falling in love or have a good time at a party.

-goals: like a said str8 is my goal, gaining confidence, become more socialeble,...I think I want to much in a too short period of time, also my past plays a big role in how I feel today.

A good phsyque, as lame as it sounds, is always great for self esteem and self confidence. Thas why I started. Unfortunatelty, now ive gone overboard.

Remeber that you can 'choose' to make your self feel most things.

Why is it some people get a B and feel on top of the world and others feel like shit?

You decided a B meant you got into to college or that it meant you had improved 1 grade or that your family would respect you...... and so on

OR

you decided that B meant not making the grade( sorry about the pun) or that B means your family won't respect you or that you need to re-take the course...etc etc

So lets take the last one re-taking a course. What does it mean?

A chance to learn from your 'mistake' and to learn the lesson well so that it helps make sure you perform to your best in the future.

A chance to evaluate why do did not achive the A and perhaps that cource is not the way to go for you? So it brings an opputrunity to get on the right track for you.

I hope this helps demontsrate that feelings can in the most part be under your control and used to your advantage.

I read a story about a man in a concentration camp who survived and he said it was because he decided he would control what he could and that included decided what things that were happening meant to him. He decided that the attrocities would make him stronger so that he would survive and tell the world what happened to his family.

I am not de-valueing your feelings about your body I am just saying use them. If your family say your fat is this beacaue they care?

If having a buff body will make your more scociable because you have more confidence why not feel confident today?

you are takeing control of your body.
you are takeing control of your diet.
your are taking control over your health.
You are creating your own path That is the action of a confident person isn't it?

Hope this helps

Bryan

Clint,
Dante made the best points in this thread IMO so I won't go into detail reinterating what he said but there is a lot more to life than just suffering and vanity.
Dante,you're my hero ....j/k

To aim for Str8's build is somewhat outlandish,considering your genetics as an endo and the fact Str8 has been at this for a much longer time than you.
At over 200 pounds,the highest Layne allows his b/f to go to is around 14% off season and I'm guessing he diets down to like 5% for comps.This,while admirable,seems like setting yourself up for failure/constant stress,as an endo.
Not that it's my place but you should really reassess your long term goals.The overwhelming majority of women,when asked what type of build attracts them the most,point out the lean/fairly muscular/athletic build,such as the Men's Health cover model look.This is attainable for endos,given dedication to proper nutrition and lots of hard work combined w/supplementation.

One other thing,when you place an order for more shit,make sure to pick up a few tubs of a nighttime casien blend and plenty of Infusion or Evopro,you need a sizable supply of slow releasing protein while cutting.

str8flexed-type is my long term goal , frankly I don't care what girls say, but actually I do...
Remember I was once an ecto, if I can change my phenotype with leptigen, fish oil, sesathin taken a long time and non-stop, so I can possible change to a more mesomorphic-type.
well that was positive thinking

Otherwise when I ever do an other bulk it will be not over maintenence and supplemented with leptigen and/or androgens.

Also I hate Belgian schools, bluh to much French for me

Anyway I really appreciate for helping me and change my attitude some what. If anyone as other tips, lecture, diet/training the whole bunch send me a pm please.

greetz

-Clint- Yep, a little bit happy now

Im not purposely trying to get you to hate me Colin, but achieving Laynes build, is not genetics. Layne is just disiplined in his workouts and diets. Im sure he'll say the same. I bet if you ask him, his genectics for anybody part arent that great (ie Dereks quads). Im an endo myself, and when I post my pics here in July, you'll see low bf is only a matter of time and good eating habits.

I didn't say it all hinges on genetics.
Rather the fact that a classic endo,who got into training a few years past puberty,was signifigantly overfat his whole life would have a much HARDER time getting/staying lean and quite big/muscular simultaneously than a true mesomorph w/years of training expirience.

When I say a harder time mean to encompass also the physcological toll/damage extreme dieting has on one's mental state i.e.not even being able to have a few light beers on a weekend night w/friends to relax.And the moderate to severe caloric deficit coupled w/early morning runs/sprints while lifting in the evening.I've been there and it's not remotely healthy.
Sure,w/hard core steroid usage an endo would be on equal footing but failing that,endos are fairly screwed in the respect that their bodies tell their fat cells to store fat,even on the same caloric intake as mesos.

To be 6' 220 pds. w/8% b/f (just figures I pulled outta my ass) you need to have excellent genetics,of course that goes hand in hand w/on point diet & rigid training.
It only makes it that much more of a longer process to obtain that physique if you're an endo.

Dante stated you were an endo so I assumed that was accurate,apparently i was wrong.

However once you finish cutting down you could do short cut/bulk cycles ala Str8 w/a 500 cal deficit/surplus....but using PH's/roids coupled w/LG Mass,FL7,Sesathin,creatine,etc.,while eating @ maintainance should allow for decent LBM gains w/literally no fat gain.Provided your diet is dialed in nice and tight.

Also,I found another training routine I did a while back,geared for strength/hypertrophy which worked fairly well for me,can also be used to cut.I'll get that out to you shortly.
After looking over one of the other splits,it was a HST style deal w/twice a day lifting/lots of cardio thrown in and was pretty excessive in retrospect so that may not be sucha good split after all,I'll send it to you regardless for you to decide.

TP-PT is IMO what you should do for when you finish cutting.It's 3 months long,and I'd do the strength program I mentioned above right before kicking off on TP's routine.

PM? I'm not done with you, yet.

I'll set down one last post when I have the time and mind - lest I spew bullshit, and mount platitudes.

There's so much that missing from the grand picture - in all of this - that I don't know where to start. Though, I'll tell you - no one will ever give you the answer to anything. Sure, they can offer you one, but whether or not you truly accept it solely depends on your willingness (or rather, ability) to see the primal meaning.

In which case, you have to learn to ask yourself the pertinent questions - wherever you look, especially when you're looking into yourself. Stoic philosophy is wonderful in this regard - as a tool, a weapon; not as a cure. Although a book in hand is preferable, for comfort, the following online sources will do:

Marcus Aurelius: Meditations

Epictetus: Enchiridion
Discourses



If you're looking for answers when reading these - don't bother. Your time will be wasted. If you're looking for a guide to help you arrive at your own, then there's no doubt you'll find what you need.



I'll get back to this all sooner or later.

Dante in the hizzie.

That was some good links Dante, thanks.

well I feel pretty goooood right now, I have meat a nice girl and I had a lot of fun on vacation.
I have become more of a chill guy, als o I lost a lot of weight in 2 weeks and I'm seeing results of the lipoderm-ultra on face and abs.

grtzzz