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novagreg

May 15 2004, 12:11 AM

Hey guys,
I'm new to the board. I have a question about 4Derm. I'm going to use it for 8 weeks straight on a cutting cycle. Should i also be taking an anti-estrogen along side of this to prevent gyno? Also, is there any chance of hair loss? I've only done one other cycle of another 4AD product (won't mention the company's name) and didn't have any sides. 4Derm is very affordable, I'd just like to hear some of your opinions on this product. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks for your help in advance guys, it's good to be here.
-Greg

shadymademe

May 15 2004, 07:49 PM

yes there is a chance for hair loss as with any product which has androgenic sides. Although 4-ad is less androgenic than say a dht precursor, so the chance is minimal unless you are extremely prone to hair loss. An anti-estrogen should be on hand for pct, and in case gyno symptoms do occur in the middle of the cycle. Again, this is dependent on your dosing and your sensitivity to aromatizing steroids.

The Shade

May 17 2004, 05:56 PM

QUOTE(shadymademe @ May 15 2004, 04:49 PM)

yes there is a chance for hair loss as with any product which has androgenic sides. Although 4-ad is less androgenic than say a dht precursor, so the chance is minimal unless you are extremely prone to hair loss. An anti-estrogen should be on hand for pct, and in case gyno symptoms do occur in the middle of the cycle. Again, this is dependent on your dosing and your sensitivity to aromatizing steroids.

But with 4-ad wouldn't using something like propecia, almost eliminate any chance of hairloss?

Tkarrde

May 17 2004, 06:34 PM

QUOTE(The Shade @ May 17 2004, 06:56 PM)

QUOTE(shadymademe @ May 15 2004, 04:49 PM)

yes there is a chance for hair loss as with any product which has androgenic sides. Although 4-ad is less androgenic than say a dht precursor, so the chance is minimal unless you are extremely prone to hair loss. An anti-estrogen should be on hand for pct, and in case gyno symptoms do occur in the middle of the cycle. Again, this is dependent on your dosing and your sensitivity to aromatizing steroids.

But with 4-ad wouldn't using something like propecia, almost eliminate any chance of hairloss?

There are no guarantees.

Regarding gyno, I'd recommend that have some nolva on-hand in case of gyno.

The Shade

May 18 2004, 04:56 PM

QUOTE(Tkarrde @ May 17 2004, 03:34 PM)

QUOTE(The Shade @ May 17 2004, 06:56 PM)

QUOTE(shadymademe @ May 15 2004, 04:49 PM)

yes there is a chance for hair loss as with any product which has androgenic sides. Although 4-ad is less androgenic than say a dht precursor, so the chance is minimal unless you are extremely prone to hair loss. An anti-estrogen should be on hand for pct, and in case gyno symptoms do occur in the middle of the cycle. Again, this is dependent on your dosing and your sensitivity to aromatizing steroids.

But with 4-ad wouldn't using something like propecia, almost eliminate any chance of hairloss?

There are no guarantees.

Regarding gyno, I'd recommend that have some nolva on-hand in case of gyno.

But would it be say like a systenhance regarding DHT? I know there are no guarantees but would it be almost nothing to worry about?

Tkarrde

May 18 2004, 06:41 PM

No, I'd worry about it. It's less androgenic than 1-T and such, however it can cause hair loss and more regularly gyno.