I have recieved my complimentary bottle of legal gears Lipoburn. Application commences on thursday 12/08/04

Stats

Name:James Copping
Age: 17
Training experience: 4 years training, 5months knowing what I'm doing
Height: 6'1
Weight: 166-170, depending on which day(high or no carb) I measure it on.
Waist: 31.25"

Bodyfat(thanks Derek):

Abdomen18
Left Bicep 5
Right Calf 4
Kidney 24
Right Pectoral 15
Right Quadricep 8
Right Subscapula 4
Suprailiac 13
Tricep 4
TOTAL 95
Bodyweight 166
% Bodyfat 15.45180723
lbs Bodyfat 25.65
lbs Lean Mass 140.35

Training

This is where it fgets interesting, for the rest of this week, I will be finishing TP PT. I have 2 fullbody workouts left. The 2 weeks after that will be a strategic decondition. Where I will do only clean cardio My new split will then start. It will look something like this:

rest
fullbody
fullbody
rest

Clean cardio
rest
clean cardio
rest
Clean cardio
rest
clean cardio
rest
Clean cardio
rest
clean cardio
rest
Clean cardio
rest.

My split thereafter will be:

Upper
rest
lower
upper
rest
lower
rest


Diet

Maintenance is ~2800-2900. Iam very near to my setopint, so I can easily add/lose mass depending on caloric surplus/deficit. This is also part of the reason I can eat over maintenance, and still lose/not gain fat. The other contributor to this is nutrient partitioning effect of my diet.

Each day I train/do clean cardio will be a high carb day @ ~2000calories over maintenance. Every rest day will be no carb @ ~1500calories under maintenance.

This causes a surplus of ~1500calories(0.4lbs) a week.

Initial impressions

From the outside, the product seems to have no viscosity, and smeels like a mixture of marzipan and ethanol.

Application 1

4 squirts 6.45AM Thursday after a scrub with a hot loufa.

The 1st 2 pumps failed to yield an apperciable volume of product, it seemd to simply spit a little at me. From the 3rd squirt on however, application was easy, and the pump worked well.

The product stung a little on application, but nothing too painful. The area also turned red. The product was not that runny, and was very easy to apply.

For the next 90minutes, I felt a strange warmness on my abs, it was quite pleasent, and I assume it is due to the capsician. After this time however, I started to get a minor irritation whenever I stretched the skin on my abs. The skin also dried up. This irritation lasted ~3hours and although it was not overly painful I feel it is worth a mention.

Is there anything I have not included that Anyone would like too see?

Other supplements running concurrently:

Creatine 5g per day
Taurine 10g pre/during workout
Caffeine Pre workout

Vit C 2500mg/day
Vit E 400IU/day
B complex
ALA 1200mg on high carb days
Magnesium citrate 500mg per day
calcium carbonate 3g per day
Fish oil yielding 3-6g EPA/DHA per day

Todays diet: No carb

7:00 1 egg, 6 egg white omlette, 5ml of my grandma' chutney , 5ml CLO, 25g low fat cheese
=40/5/15
10:00 100g salmon, 50g tuna salad
=30/5/5
12:30 1 egg, 6 egg white omlette, 5ml of my grandma' chutney, 25g low fat cheese
=40/5/10
15:00 1 egg, 6 egg white omlette, 5ml of my grandma' chutney, 25g low fat cheese
=40/5/10
18:00 100g salmon, 50g tuna salad
=30/5/5
21:00 125g cott chse, 10g peanuts, 5ml CLO
=20/5/10

Totals: 200/30/55/1415

Day 1 Application 2

Applied 4 squirts immediately after a hot bath. less stinging this time, and no warm feeling. My skin does feel tight and dry though. The product is very viscous. Just like treacle, and dries very quickly ~30-60secs.

Scratch that, the warmth has kicked in ~15 minutes after application. It must take some time to kick in.

Your a robot, meathead.

Good, thorough log. Yuck, that's gross!

Rick

Thanks Rick. I'm competing with Ted for the title of "Most anal Avant member", a few days ago we were discussing the protein in eggs.

He said the white contained 3g protein, and the yellow 4.
I however think they each contain 3.5g.

Anyone else care to chime in on that matter?

The skin on my abs is now REALLY dry.

I think the "most anal Avant member" award goes to Marc, when he's wearing his chaps anyhow.

According to Anne Colins, a trusted source of bodybuilding information.

Eggs Protein (g)
Egg, whole raw, 1 large 6.25g
Egg, whole, raw, 1 medium 5.5g
Egg yolk, raw, 1 large 2.78g
Egg white, raw, 1 large 3.51g
Egg, whole, fried 6.23g
Egg, whole, scrambled 6.76g
Egg, whole, boiled 6.29g
Egg, substitute, liquid, 1/4 cup 7.53g

*all totals are approximate, and based solely on guesses made by infants pointing at a number. Consult youre physician before eating any egg, or egg based product. This is for informative purpose only.

Check out her website, for UNBELIEVABLE values on weight loss plans!

Rick

Thanks Rick, I'll be sure to check it out, despite the obvious sarcvasm



That had me in hysterics

Todays diet: High carb

6.45 250g wetabix, 300ml milk, 50g apricots, 10ml lemon juice, 10ml lemon juice
40/200/5
11:00 200g oats 150g weetabix, 75g apricots, 300ml milk
50/260/20
12:15 Workout shake 15g whey, 20g dex
15/20/0
14:00 300g oats, 100g weetabix, 100g apricots, 30g sultanas
50/310/30
16:00 250g wetabix, 300ml milk, 50g apricots, 10ml lemon juice, 10ml lemon juice
40/200/5
18:30 75g salmon salad
15/5/5
21:00 100g cott chse, 20g peanuts
15/5/5

Totals 225/1000/65/5485

I feel like I am beginning to overtrain. Therefore I will perform only 1 more fullbody workout(today). Have a no carb day tomorrow, a low carb day sunday and then continue from there.
+

Day 2 Application 1

I woke up thismorning, and my skin was still very dry from last nights application. It wasn't painful though, so I continued to scrub with a hot loufa. Then apply 4 more squirts to my abs/love handles. Again, it dried quickly leaving no residue.

"Most Anal Avant Member" and "Most Anal requested/taken of an Avant Member" are 2 different titles. I hold the former.

- Fletch

Update

I am starting to get very flaky skin on my abs, its not huge lumps coming off, just dry skin. It may even be a residue of the product. Is it possible that not all of it was absorbed? I rubbed it in throughly.

My *guess* would be that it's the chitosan.

Is it supposed to just sit on the surface like that? Or should it be absorbed?

Well that's a good question. Quite honestly, I have not read a lot about the inclusion of chitosan in a transdermal carrier.

When I 1st saw the (carrier) ingredient list (actually a while back, as LG includes chitosan in their "version" of PH Gel: "Power Gel," or something like that), I figured that chitosan was included to "thicken" the formula to make it into a gel (in place of carbomer or methylcellulose). But in the past week, on the LipoBurn Testers thread over at AM, size posted a few abstracts indicating that chitosan may indeed be useful in a transdermal formulation to increase efficacy. I haven't had the time to more than glance at the abstracts so far, moreless look for the full studies. So I couldn’t say for certain whether there is anything substantial to it or not.

My initial "gut" impression though, would be that in order to help increase absorption of the actives, that the chitosan would actually have to penetrate the skin. So I would *think* that if it is indeed just "pooling" on the surface of the skin, that it prolly is not helping increase the absorption of the actives. But like I said, I haven't had the time to read up on the use of chitosan for transdermal application, so take my opinion for what it's worth.

I would suggest that you post this question up over at bb.com. For one, I think the LG guys should be able to answer if it is actually the chitosan (or some other ingredient) that is "flaking" off on your skin. I would also be curious to hear about their reasoning in including chitosan in their transdermal formulation, particularly from Seth. Perhaps if we can get a good debate going on it, we could get Par in on it as well, as I would be interested in his thoughts on the subject also.

Day 2 application 2

God damn, its a good job I have masochistic tendancies. I applied the Lipoburn aftyer a hot bathj and scrub with a loufa and F****** hell. It burnt so bad I was almost rolling over on the floor. This burn lasted about 30seconds and I was very glad when it stopped.

Day 3 application 1

After a scrub with a hot loufa, this one burnt like hell also. The pump clogged after the 2nd squirt, and i peeled off a thin film from the pump. After this, it was fine.

I should start to see some results over the next couple of days, if anything from te diuretic effect of the caffeine. As I have 2 sub maintenance calorie days.

I stared a thread on BB.com:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.p...threadid=318105

Day 3 diet: No carb

8:00 1 egg, 6 egg white omlette, 5ml of my grandma' chutney, 25g low fat cheese
=40/5/15
11:00 1 egg, 6 egg white omlette, 5ml of my grandma' chutney , 25g low fat cheese
=40/5/10
14:00 100g salmon, 50g tuna salad
=30/5/5
17:00 100g salmon, 50g tuna salad
=30/5/5
19:00 1 eggs, 6 egg white omlette, 5ml ketchup, 30g low fat cheese
=40/5/10
21:00 125g cott chse, 10g peanuts, 5ml CLO
=20/5/10

Totals 200/30/55/1415

This is true, sorry for my blunder, your holy analness.

Rick "Fletch, the badass recipe man"

Day 3 Application 2

4 squirts after a bath and scrub. Didn't hurt as much this time. Although a slight pain was there. There was no clogging in the pump.

Day 4 application 1

After a scrub w/ a hot loufa, 4 squirts were applied. There was much lesss stinging this time, and the warm feeling is not apparant.

Day 4 application 2

No burning, no warm feeling. Maybe im getting accustomed to it. The residue was also noticably less apparant.

Fuck...I was under the impression that the yellow was pure fat and the egg white was pure protien,yielding 6 grams per large sized egg.

I usually just eat the whites and chuck the rest,apparently I've been getting roughly 1/2 the protien I thought I was taking in???
WTF...can somebody please clarify this...

BTW Meathead...how'd you get hooked up w/the Lipoburn?

The egg thing is definately right.

The trick to getting free stuff is just to hang around the BB.com supps board. Every once in a while a thread will come up asking for testers.

Day 5 application 1

After a scrub w/ a hot flannel, no burning, no dry skin. Maybe im becoming used to it?

Day 5 application 2

After a bath and a scrub w/ a loufa, I applied 4 squirts. No burning this time, and less residue.

Day 6 application 1

After a scrub w/ a loufa I rubbed 4 squirts in, this burnt like hell. Not sure why. Maybe sometimes I get more capsican than others but I dont know why. I always shake it a lot before application.

I am not happy with the residue it left today, my girlfriend commented on it, and said that it made my abs look "horrible". Since this is all about looks, I am seriously considering stopping the test. I will give it a few more days and make a decision.

Tuesday diet: High carb

7.45 200g oats, 50g weetabix, 300ml milk, 50g apricots, 10ml lemon juice, 10ml lemon juice
40/200/20
10:00 200g oats, 50g weetabix, 300ml milk, 50g apricots, 10ml lemon juice, 10ml lemon juice
40/200/20
12:00 200g oats, 300ml milk,3x WW bread, 50g cott chse, cucumber, 50g apricots, 10ml lemon juice, 10ml lemon juice
45/205/20
15:00 1 egg, 6 white omlette, 25g low fat cheese
35/10/10
18:00 120g salmon steak, salad
25/5/5
21:00 100g cott chse, 20g peanuts
15/5/5

Totals 200/625/80/4020

Todays workout: Sprints

~9.30AM, workout was as follows:

3 minute slow jog warmup

10 second sprint,
80second recovery
repeat x10

2 minute cooldown

the workout took 20minutes.

Day 6 application 2

More liquidy this time. The burn is back too.

I think its time to mix up a little sample batch and test this "residue" theory with the chitosan.

Wednesday diet: Moderate carb

7:00 75g oats, 100ml milk, 50g apricots, 50g cott chse
30/115/10
10:00 2xWW bread, 100g cott chse, cucumber, 50g low fat cheese
30/35/10
12:30 150g salmon salad
30/5/10
14:30 100g oats, 100ml milk, 50g apricots, 50g cott chse, 25g low fat cheese
30/90/10
17:00 100g oats, 100ml milk, 50g apricots, 50g cott chse, 25g low fat cheese
30/90/10
19:00 2xWW bread, 100g salmon, fishies
=30/35/10
22:00 100g cott chse, 25g low fat cheese
=20/5/10

Totals 200/375/70/2930

Day 7 application 1

After a scrub with a loufa, this time it hurt like hell. I have no idea why it hurts sometimes and not others. I keep conditions as constant as possible. flaking is back also, but less apparant.

Day 7 application 2


After a bath, burnt like hell

Day 8 application 1


After a scrub with a flannel(at my girlfriends house) burnt like hell

Day 8 application 2


After a bath, hurt like hell......again. less residue though.

Day 8diet: High carb

I went out with my girlfriend today, to celebrate my exam results(3A's, 1B), so the diet went a bit off track. I didn't cheat, but just couldnt remember exactly what I've eaten. I made sure I got plenty of carbs tho as there was a lot of walking around, and certain other activities.

~~Totals 200/700/60/4140

+1200 today
+2800 this week
+27700 since the start

Todays workout: Sprints

~9am

3 minute slow jog warmup

10 second sprint,
80second recovery
repeat x10

2 minute cooldown

Measurements and BF will be up tomorrow after work I promise

Abdomen18,17 -1mm
Left Bicep 5, 5
Right Calf 4, 5 +1mm
Kidney 24 , 25 +1mm
Right Pectoral 15, 15
Right Quadricep 8, 8
Right Subscapula 4, 4
Suprailiac 13, 11 -2mm
Tricep 4, 4
TOTAL 95,94
Bodyweight 166,167
% Bodyfat 15.45,15.20
lbs Bodyfat 25.65,25.38
lbs Lean Mass 140.35,141.62
As you can see, I gained 1lb


Blue=area of application
Red= losses in applied areas
Green=gains in non applied areas

As you can see, I lost fat in the applied areas, and gained it/stayed the same in other areas. This must be due to the Lipoburn.

This is partly due to the diuretic effect, but is partialy due to fatloss. IMO this product has worked well, aside from the fact it leaves a residue.