I'm looking into doing a 1 AD/ 4 AD stack and see that these bulk powders from bulknutrition are a whole lot cheaper than buying capsules by a name brand like Ergopharm. Are they as effective or close to as effective as the more expensive capsules? Can you just pour the serving into some water and drink it or would be better to cap them yourself?

you mean 1-test & 4-ad powder?

yes, it is far more cost effective to get them from Mike at bulknutrition, but don't take them orally if you want the most benefit. in fact, just get dermabolics s1+ from Mike (which is just transdermal 1T/4AD) and you don't have to worry about homebrewing or measuring powder.

if you just want to do a cycle, this is the best way to go. but buy powders if you are looking to stock up on actives. the carrier matrix will be available after the impending ban

be sure to have nolva on hand

i was actually looking into doing it orally even though i know it's generally less effective just b/c i didn't want to deal with applying the transdermal and also worry about it rubbing on my girlfriend. i don't want to do m1t due to the side effects i've read from a lot of people, though, so i decided that the next best oral was 1-AD. i did mean 1-AD powder and not 1-test. i'm pretty sure bulknutrition has a 1-AD bulk powder for sale. i was under the impression that 1-AD was better orally than 1-test. i may end up going with the transdermal, but i was just curious about information regarding the oral cycle that i mentioned above and more information on the bulk powders and how to go about using them orally. 300 mg 1-AD and 900 mg 4-AD was what i was thinking about orally.

The powder is exactly the same as the Ergopharm product.

300 and 900mg are a good place to start if it is your first cycle. You should make good gains, that is if your diet and training are in order (easier said than done). If you still don't make gains, keep in mind that using orals people may use up to five times that amount. For the sake of getting the most out of it for the money, and for other reasons, it is best to start low and see how it works out. You've probably priced it out, $1.56/day (300mg 1AD $0.75 + $0.81 900mg 4AD).

Another option, if you are only willing to do orals, is to use some M1,4ADD, (available at 1fast400 in tabs, or CustomNutritionWarehouse in powder form). 80-160mg, again depending on what stage you are at. That works out (in the case of powder) to about $0.68-1.36 per day. This is quite good stuff.

Read the forums at 1fast400.com for feedback on 1-AD + 4-AD stacks.

thanks for the reply. so if i do decide to go with the bulk powders i can just measure out the serving and drink it in some water a few times per day, right? should i take them with meals since i think i remember hearing that fat could increase their absorbtion?

btw i am about 200-205 pounds at around 10-13% bf. i have done only one two week cycle of a 1-test/4-AD/1,4 transdermal about one year ago. i would really like to avoid dealing with the transdermals again, but would also like to avoid any of the orals with major side effects (like m1t) and those having a greater chance of gyno since i don't currently have any nolvadex on hand. i don't want to have to order nolvadex over the internet (since i don't know a reliable source) and don't have a source locally. also another question ... would 1-test be better to take than 1-AD orally or am i right in hearing that even though 1-AD converts to 1-test, 1-AD is more effective orally?

For the powders, when you are taking them in the hundreds of mg, it is sufficient to measure them out and dump them into something to mask the taste. I recommend grapefruit juice. If you were using powders which require single mg accuracy, then you'd have to dilute the powder in liquid first. With measuring out, it would still be good if you had a small digital scale. I got one on Ebay, digital, accurate to 10mg/0.01g, with a calibration weight, for about $25. To figure out the average weight of a single spoonful (or whatever) measure out 10 *flat* spoonfuls onto the scale, then divide by 10 to get your average. If you have the right size of spoons, this can work down to about 40mg measures.

1-AD is way more bioavailable orally than 1-test.

If you can, you should use nolvadex for post-cycle, since it is so cheap. 6-oxo/androstenetrione powder is (orally) at least 3x as expensive per PCT, and from all reports tastes foul.

anyone want to pm me a reliable source for nolva?

Dude I love your posts on PH's. You are like me in that you price things out to daily costs or costs per gram etc. Nicely done. If you have them provide some links to posts of yours where you give your ph ideas. I would like to point some people to them.

Um, I did. If you don't want to check your PM go look for M14ADD at the site I suggested, then browse around. Maybe you'll find tamoxifen citrate, cheap.

Thanks. I wrote one here, called the Best Legal Cycle. But I plan to update that one soon. Once I find out what exactly will be available with this last wave before the impending ban, which is anywhere from a week to three months down the road. Keep an eye out.