I'm swaying between picking up some usnic acid or DNP but leaning towards DNP.Course I'm being quite anal w/researching beforehand b/c the shit is rat poison after all but I could use some advice/feedback from those who've run DNP;the dosage/pyromid scheme they achived the most fat loss with.
I may go on the 7 day DNP fat loss inferno,as detailed on elitefitness but I was hoping to get some feedback from cats like Loki,DSade or Mr.Questioon on what protocol they used.

I'm cutting,taking in between 10-12 cals b/w daily.

I'll be picking up te required anti-oxidants and so on when i get the DNP,for now the supps/drugs i have at my disposal are:

clen/ketotifen-plan on starting a 1 month clen cycle @ 100 mcg's as soon as the keotifen shows up

bromo 5 mg an hour or so before noon

e/c 2-3 times daily

Hot Rox x 2

oral 7-keto 300 mg x 2

epa/dha totaling yielding 3 Grams x 2

calcium 2 G w/exta mag,vit D....and the usual shit like creatine,multi

I have done two DNP cycles so far...getting ready to do another one next week.
The first time I used a 10 day (3 days at 200mg and then 7 days at 400mg). The second cycle I did 200mg for 21 days along with 100mcg of Clen (pyramided up and down for the first/last couple of days), and 100mcg of T3 (also pyramided up and down).

I lost about the same with both but the 10 day came off alot quicker.

The thing about the 10 day is that after about 5 or 6 days in it gets pretty rough and the sides start to affect normal life. With the 21 day, I had minimal sides compared to the 10 day and was able to go about my normal work week without much issues. On the 10 day, people started to wonder why I was so sweaty and looked like shit. On the 21 day cycle, the profuse sweating only came on at the gym and other highly physical activity.
I am planning on doing the 21 day again as I am not in a rush to get the weight loss and I need to be able to work my job.

some more supps you should add:

glycerol, 2 tbsp, 3 x/day keeps you hydrated
Calcium Pyruvate (NOW Foods, 6 tabs/day) keeps the sweating down.
and, if you have access to it, valium or phenobarbital in LOW doses will also keep the sweating down and mood/energy up, although that's paradoxical to those drugs' effects it has that effect on DNP.

Also, when the side effects become unbearable, skip a dose. i.e., 200mg in the morning, 200mg at night, skip next morning, 200mg next night, 200 mg the following morning, skip following night dose.

To either of you guys or anyone else who's run DNP for the usual amount of time,a 2 week cycle:

How physically/mentally drained did this shit leave you?

I ask b/c i work in construction which is physically demanding to a degree(house framing/woodwork so it's not too intense)and i need to be on my feet and able to function at work w/out taking breaks to sit down etc.
I have no qualms w/popping e/c like skittles if needed.

I've ran usnic acid at 1 gram for 2 weeks before,the sweating was a pain but not too bad.Although i regularly drip sweat conbstantly while training or doing cardio,at work even so DNP could potentially fuck me over quite nasty like despite drinking water and taking gycerol.

The dieting contraints i.e.carbs on certain days only etc.are somewhat of a motherfucker I've noticed but would be manageable but I don't unbderstand why it's advised ample amounts of fruit should be eaten yet some days call for no carbs at all.I assume on no carb days it would be alright to just have 25 g of carbs pre weights and 25 G carbs post,if the carbs were grapes and taken along w/ALA?

I may just wuss out and do a UCP-1 cycle instead,if that is comparable in terms of fat loss.
Anybody wanna throw me a bone w/how they fared w/UCP-1 I'd really appreicte it.

Also,would running T3 @ 50 mcg's per day be opverkill on the thyroid along w/DNP,if so how about high dose 7-keto(orally 300 mg's twice daily)and guggul e&z;Hot Rox has a lot in it,I'd take it twice per day.

Depends on dosage. First 2-3 days aren't that bad. Then "DNPinsomia" starts kicking in, you're not sleeping, and you generally feel like shit all the live long day (this is on 600mg/ED).



In all good faith, what you're proposing sounds unduly dangerous, even to someone with a generally "fuck-all"-mentality such as myself. I find I'm still perspiring sitting in my boxers in air-conditioned rooms on DNP after a few days. If you do go through with this, you need to be absolutely certain that you are using glycerol & hydrating very carefully so that a.) you are not dehydrating/overheating and b.) you also avoid hyperhydrosis (hyponamtria). I would supplement with electrolytes (sodium and potassium) if you actually plan to be active on the shit.



Yeah, you besta' believe it...



I don't know what you're referring to, but DNP bankrupts liver glycogen and shunts 5'-dieodenase activity, which starts to curtail T3 output after about a week or so on the stuff. You want fruit/fructose because a.) it keeps liver-glycogen from bottoming out, which keeps thyroid up a bit more and also keeps you from skirting hypoglycemia all the live long day, and b.) it gives you energy without giving you as profound sweats as other glucose/sucrose-based carb sources, since ingesting glucose is oxidized to produce heat at a cellular level in your muscles. Look, at the end of the day, it's DNP; it doesn't really fucking matter what you eat as long as you keep your calories under control.



Unfortunately it's not. Otherwise it's 'inventors' ( ) would be swimming in bitches, blow, and bentleys. They ain't.



If you're going to do DNP longer than two weeks, you need T3. But, with that said, you shouldn't be using DNP for longer than two weeks. I think for a short cycle 7-OXO & the guggul will give your thyroid enough of a boost that this shouldn't be an issue for you.

Just remember to constantly drink water. Especially if you are working in a physical based job (in your case constuction). Don't wait until you feel dehydrated as this is very deceiving on DNP. Force yourself to drink around 2 gallons of water a day at least. If you start feeling too warm, drink some V8 juice. This helped me alot. It is recommended to drink a glass of V8 at least once a day as this has alot of good antioxidants in it as well. Keep fruit (non-starchy) on hand at work as this also helps alot.

You will probably need a change of clothes as I found myself getting soaked quite easily after doing even minor labor. After going to the gym I would end up drenched and would profusely sweat in the middle of more intense sets. My workout intensity was not affected but I could not do as much/long of a workout as normal. You have to listen to your body carefully when using DNP and not push yourself.

Of course, everyone reacts a little differently so take it slow the first time so you can gauge how your body reacts to DNP and what effects you get from it.

Colin, just something to be aware of, literally the closest I think I have ever been to dying was doing intensive HIIT on DNP. This is a combination that--while redonkulously effective for fat-loss--one should tread very lightly around. I find lifting on DNP to not really be as big of a bitch as I'd expected (based on what most say), but cardio--basically anything where you're exerting yourself continuously for sustained periods of time--is brutal. So keep your dosage low (400mg/day) for the first SEVERAL DAYS (this is not one of those things where you say "I don't really feel it; I should up the dosage"). The half-life is 36-hours, so it builds in your system. Take 400mg on Monday and 400mg on Tuesday, and you've already got 500 or 600mg actively working come Tuesday midnight, so just be aware of the cumilative nature of the compound.

Also--do you have Sesathin or Fibrates? Because they're wicked with DNP...

I've pushed the envelope too far with this drug because I was a fucked up kid and quite frankly, it's not worth it and it scares me.

Most I ever ran was a 10 day cycle with the last 5 days at around/over 800 mgs a day.

You might say that I'm stupid for running that dose and that may be true but I assure you that you won't be that impressed with a small dose if you really track your TRUE fat loss.

I won't lie, At that dose, the magic happens but those last five days were pure hell on earth. I really do not know how to explain it. I wish people would take my word when I say that there is no need for this drug.

The last day of that cycle, I did not want to close my eyes at night for fear that I might not wake up.

After that last cycle, my body was drained. I still sweat more than I ever did before at night. Once in a while, I smell something like that wretched smell and still get the chills. Too fucked up.

Loki:
I don't have any fibrates and i jst placed an order w/masters so I'm not too excited about paying another $15 for shipping.But i do have almost 2 full bottles of sesathin.

Goosey:
The most I'll go up to is 600 mg's per day and i normally feel like shit pretty much all the time anyway so i don't see what i have to lose but thanks for the heads up.

Colin, what Loki said.

There needs to be an article written on DNP and cycles, schemes, and all taht jazz. Loki are you up for one? Maybe we can do one or something.....

Would there be a any contraindications for doing a low(er) dosed DNP cycle (say 200mg for two weeks) while on an ACE-inhibitor (lisinopril), adderall 20-40mg BID, and xanax 2mg nightly? Overheating...blood pressure...hyponatremia...etc?

Bump...

The only thing I'm unsure of is the ACE inhibitor (the rest are fine) but I strongly suspect there'd be no issues with the that one either.

Colin what do you think about a 10 day run at 200mg? I weigh roughly 187lb at 5ft8. DNP virgin. The DNP does have several anti-oxidants added and of course I would use lots of magnesium, vit C, vit E, lots of dhea, sesathin, CLA 8g per day, mega dosing of fish oil, etc.

bb

I like larger dosages (400-600mg ED) in 5-7 day cycles to get more done in a shorter amount of time but sure,10 days at 200mg would certainly help.

Double up on your sesa dosing (1 gram thrice daily) and be sure to take a dose pre-cardio as well.

200mg over a longer time or 400-600mg for 5-7 are the standard/safer protocols. I think 200mg would be better to maintain training, it tends to get pretty rough at the higher dose.

I have never had BP issues with DNP. I took clonidine with it with little problem but only for a week.

I advise strong caution with this product.....not gonna lecture.....as it works and can be relatively safe.

Can anyone recommend a good DNP article, protocol, FAQ, whatever...?

There are a two or three of these online somewhere (elite has one,I think) but searching Loki's old posts on it is much more informative.

OK I ASKED THE GUY WHAT HE PUT INTO THE CAPS B/C I KNEW HE ADDED SOME ANTI-OXIDANTS AND SUCH. ALSO I WANTED TO VERIFY THE DOSAGE. IT APPEARS THAT THEY ARE 250mg EACH SO I WILL STILL JUST TRY 1 CAP PER DAY AND SEE HOW THAT FEELS AFTER 5 DAYS WHEN THE DNP HAS BUILT UP IN MY SYSTEM. PLEASE REVIEW HIS FORMULATION AND IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON IT OR WHAT ELSE I NEED TO RUN WHILE ON.

thanks bb
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The capsules I make are 250mg of AWESOME lab-grade crystal, not industrial powder. I have new material which is MUCH stronger than what I have had recently; it's simply the best I have seen around in a year. Added to this 250mg of DNP is a combination of antioxidants and fat-burning compounds (Most other sellers use corn starch filler). To make it clear: the DNP dose is 250mg, PLUS the blended compound.

Using lab-grade crystal also produces faster effects with fewer
sides. The most common feedback I get (other than "this stuff
rocks!") is "why don't I feel as hot as when I used so-and-so's
product last year?" It's one the benefits of Crystal that makes it so much more desirable, and also very hard to acquire (it's three times as expensive for me to buy as industrial powder). I am not aware of other sources of crystal at this time (although there may be some unknown to me).

Dosing is accurate according to digital scale measurements. Males will need to use about 3 caps/day, or 4/day for very large guys. Females need 1-2/day. These capsules can be stored and used later; DNP is potent for months.

My DNP is compounded with an antioxidant/energy-stimulant blend in concentrated dosages that protects cells, prevents formation of toxins and free radicals, and improves your physical response to the product. DNP is not damaging to the liver or other organs, but adding my extra ingredients is a nice healthy feature.

Ingredients include: Taurine and Sulbutiamine (a vitamin B analogue) added--for energy and mild euphoria, to counter the lethargy/misery of DNP side effects! You'll find these two ingredients in over-the-counter stimulants like "five hour energy" and such.

TriMethylGlycine. TMG lowers levels of plaque-forming homocysteine and raises levels of SAMe, a powerful antidepressant and anti-arthritis substance. In the liver, TMG helps metabolize fat, and increases detoxifying liver enzymes and antioxidant glutathione levels. Adding TMG to DNP is a brilliant idea because it helps mobilize fats into cells as an energy source; if DNP is the fire in the fat-burning furnace, TMG shoves in MORE fat as the fuel.

L-Carnitine increases the use of fats by the liver, which further
potentiates the effects of DNP. Adding this plus TMG to my compound
helps the product work BETTER while also adding some cool health
benefits, too!

I do not have any inactive ingredients in my compound blend. ALL of
the compound--every grain--is a deliberate inclusion. There is NO
corn starch filler or useless bulk powder; 100% of the ingredients
crammed into each capsule is functional and will improve fat
loss while protecting your health.

If you mainly care about fatloss then I would do 1 ED for 3-5 days, then move to 2 and see how you feel, and you could move forward-howard 600mg really gets to me. Just make sure you drink A LOT of water, and E/C is a must for me because I get so tired(only if I use more than 200mg). If you have a job that involves critical thinking or movement, then I personally wouldn't go above the 1 cap unless you have a good stimulant.

I am familiar with your guy that you are using.

He is very good and gets lots of bumps. It should be accurately dosed and potent.

Any of you guys have issues with your eye sight after using this? I recall reading it was one of those things not commonly owned up to by old timers, but it was definitely an issue. After gradually losing my eye sight at 22, and perhaps owing it to use of Nolva and Accutane over the years, I can't help but feel a bit reckless in hindsight

I haven't..I've had the same prescription for the past 3 years and the first time I used DNP was 2 years ago I believe. Also haven't seen any yellow as some people say.

Not eyesight related, however a friend of mine seems to be allergic to DNP, when he takes it, he breaks out in hives and itches allover.

Sounds like his DNP is contaminated

Isn't the allergy issue relatively common with DNP?

Nah..It's the same as mine. As Kimbo stated, it isn't too uncommon.

Is there any reason Synthesize would be an unwise choice while using DNP? Someone mentioned to me the possibility of it screwing with DNP's MOA through ATP and creatine's uptake or whatever...or possibly just the high risk of dehydration...any thoughts?

Also, what about 11OXO? Any reason this couldn't be used on DNP?

Found my answer regarding using creatine and DNP concurrently...but my question regarding 11OXO still stands...I would think it may be useful in some way, perhaps keeping thyroid function elevated (if 11OXO actually does this in the same way 7OXO/OH does)...

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