Hey, ive never taken glutamine before, im wondering when i should take it? i hear once in the morning, after workout, and then at night?? is this right? im also wondering if i need to keep taking amino acids when i take glutamine
On a side note...when is the best time to take creatine? before or after a workout? thanks bros
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glutamine is basically a waste of money. Personally I would dose creatine right after working out if only doing 5g a day, but I prefer before and after working out, each 5g.
glutamine totally fucking ripped me up bro. i take it in da mornin's, pre and post pump, and b4 bed. it helps prevent da muscles from losing and catabolisms [I]ESPECIALLYS[I] when you are bulkin in da caloric surplus. some of tha haters on here wanna say it don't work cos of some studies and science and stuff. but don't listen to it cos all da pros take it and it gets you hyoooge and ripped and gives u a hyooge cock.
/drunk over
/drunk over
ahahha good look shady and gaza...anyone else?
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Glutamine is a free-form nonessential amino acid. It is also the most abundant FFNEamino in the body-- your body makes plenty of glutamine already as long as protein intake is adequate.
The far more pertinent issue is that--regardless of how you take glutamine--it ends up being poorly absorbed, even if you megadose the ish. The reason is because orally-ingested glutamine enters the small intestine and is absorbed into the mucosal cell, it is then enzymatically metabolized to two different products: alanine (from the alpha nitrogen on glutamine) and the carbon skelaton (from the left-over epsilon nitrogen). This carbon skelaton is then oxidized by the gut for fuel while the ammonia group is either a.) excreted, or b.) is picked up into the urea cycle. The alanine from this process goes to the liver via the PV (portal vein) to become glucose via gluconeogenesis. It is in this way that our body prevents us from overloading ourselves with individual amino acids. The liver and mucosal cells buffer the peripheral tissues. If this buffer wasn't in place it could have dire health consequences. Glutamine will ALWAYS be screened/filtered by the liver before it gets anywhere peripherally, meaning you will ALWAYS get shit-absorption. Furthermore, since there are so many cheaper, more effective supplements, I consider it such a worthless stand-alone supplement for the transient benefits it provides.
If that is not enough, just do a search for "glutamine" and start reading. We have discussed it a jillion times on this boad.
The far more pertinent issue is that--regardless of how you take glutamine--it ends up being poorly absorbed, even if you megadose the ish. The reason is because orally-ingested glutamine enters the small intestine and is absorbed into the mucosal cell, it is then enzymatically metabolized to two different products: alanine (from the alpha nitrogen on glutamine) and the carbon skelaton (from the left-over epsilon nitrogen). This carbon skelaton is then oxidized by the gut for fuel while the ammonia group is either a.) excreted, or b.) is picked up into the urea cycle. The alanine from this process goes to the liver via the PV (portal vein) to become glucose via gluconeogenesis. It is in this way that our body prevents us from overloading ourselves with individual amino acids. The liver and mucosal cells buffer the peripheral tissues. If this buffer wasn't in place it could have dire health consequences. Glutamine will ALWAYS be screened/filtered by the liver before it gets anywhere peripherally, meaning you will ALWAYS get shit-absorption. Furthermore, since there are so many cheaper, more effective supplements, I consider it such a worthless stand-alone supplement for the transient benefits it provides.
If that is not enough, just do a search for "glutamine" and start reading. We have discussed it a jillion times on this boad.
I was presented with the above excerpt by Loki when I questioned him on glutamines effect on the body. I wanted to do my own research to find out what he in fact quoted was true or not. Looking through studies it became more clear to me that glutamine was not as effective as it was marketed to be, not only that but I also ran across an interesting study on PudMed. I believe I saw this one on www.ast-ss.com website, research finds glutamine helps people recover quickly from surgery, also they sad it will prevent muscle loss and enhance recovery process. Looking at the study 1)
Also what Gazza is suggesting is that you present your questions intelligently, with scientific objectives, appropriate grammatical syntax, and spelling, and then you will receive an appropriate response.
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While most patients will progress to oral nutrition after surgery and require little or no intervention, major surgery or postoperative complications can delay the prescription of an oral diet. In such patients, nutritional requirements are often increased to support wound healing and hypermetabolism associated with surgical recovery.
A person who is recovering from surgery will not consume nearly as much food as a person who is bodybuilding would, plus it would take a person recovering from surgery a while until he can go back to his original diet plan. Secondly high-dose parenteral- (Medicine. Taken into the body or administered in a manner other than through the digestive tract, as by intravenous or intramuscular injection.)Glutamine may reduce infectious complications and the length of hospitalization for surgical patients. So glutamine administered to a post surgery recovering person through intravenous or intramuscular injection in high doses may reduce infectious complications and the length of hospitalization for surgical patients. Now you can see how misleading people who selling you their glutamine can be. Glutamine being non essential amino acid, also don’t buy into the notion of conditionally essential amino acid, term put out by Optimum Nutrition for glutamine. Thus if glutamine in non essential amino acid it can be synthesized from essential amino acids hence you don’t need to consume it on its own, plus its very expensive. Also what Gazza is suggesting is that you present your questions intelligently, with scientific objectives, appropriate grammatical syntax, and spelling, and then you will receive an appropriate response.
QUOTE(gotti123 @ Nov 9 2004, 03:54 PM)
Hey, ive never taken glutamine before, im wondering when i should take it? i hear once in the morning, after workout, and then at night?? is this right? im also wondering if i need to keep taking amino acids when i take glutamine
On a side note...when is the best time to take creatine? before or after a workout? thanks bros
On a side note...when is the best time to take creatine? before or after a workout? thanks bros
try to sell it to some schmuk
QUOTE(Gazza @ Nov 9 2004, 07:25 PM)
glutamine totally fucking ripped me up bro. i take it in da mornin's, pre and post pump, and b4 bed. it helps prevent da muscles from losing and catabolisms [I]ESPECIALLYS[I] when you are bulkin in da caloric surplus. some of tha haters on here wanna say it don't work cos of some studies and science and stuff. but don't listen to it cos all da pros take it and it gets you hyoooge and ripped and gives u a hyooge cock.
/drunk over
/drunk over
Brilliant - that needs to be stickied and setup as the board Glutamine FAQ - that is the end all, be all answer.
I've read the data posted in other threads on this, and still dont understand how so many guys can swear by glutamine. Most people are clueless, but there are a couple of guys at my gym that I respect and are pretty knowledgable about supplements in particular. The only thing I've noticed is that they are older (50-55+ ish ) but they say that gluatmine has really helped them break through when the've plateaued out. Nothing I've read indicates age may be a factor in the chemical breakdown, so as much as I respect the guys, I take the gluta-talk with a grain of salt.
it boils down to this: most people don't think for themselves... period. They are weak minded are willing to believe someone who is "swole bro"
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it boils down to this: most people don't think for themselves... period. They are weak minded are willing to believe someone who is "swole bro"
Str8flexed I will disagree with you! People do think for themselves and they are not weak minded! If people did not think for themselves new research and new ideas would not resurface, people would stop conducting studies and experiments and no new theories would be formed. Why would people bother to improve? We have studies that were conducted 10-20 years ago let us use that. We don’t need new research those theories are sound enough. People are not gullible but what supplement companies do is meddle with human emotions and use psychology to persuade the potential client that their product will provide him/her with emotional, physical, and spiritual wants that one craves all you have to do is look through Muscletech ads, Fizogen ads, Designer Whey ads, etc... They don’t market their product they market an image, and if they succeed that image will be attached to the product. That image is usually sex in one form or another and that’s a biological need of every person on this planet.
All of us where newbs at one point or another and we have improved though learning and educating ourselves. Even though that his question may sound "newbish" and "silly" to some people I don’t see the necessity or justification of disrespecting him, sure his level of understanding of this particular subject may be inferior to others on this board but that fact does not give you the permission of making fun of him and hazing him.
I also believe this board has moderators that work for Avant Labs in one way or another and by making fun of any person and pretty much telling him that he is a “dumb ass” will not improve your business and sales of your products. Why not respectfully answer the question with scientific objectives and point him to the right direction. Maybe tell that person that you have a superior supplement that can help him in pursuit of his/her goal, show him the right information and point his to the right direction that will show professionalism, care, and respect perhaps that may increase the companies clientele, and sales.
We are all here to improve and get more information, making fun and hazing a person will only anger him driving him away from this board but in reality that person may have had some knowledge and experience to share and contribute to this board that could have been in use to all of us. But rather you choose to alienate him. Driving him away and Avant Labs could have lost a potential costumer. This is just my opinion on this matter.
Glutamine is cool. 
QUOTE(NickFrequency @ Nov 11 2004, 02:31 PM)
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it boils down to this: most people don't think for themselves... period. They are weak minded are willing to believe someone who is "swole bro"
Str8flexed I will disagree with you! People do think for themselves and they are not weak minded! If people did not think for themselves new research and new ideas would not resurface, people would stop conducting studies and experiments and no new theories would be formed. Why would people bother to improve? We have studies that were conducted 10-20 years ago let us use that. We don’t need new research those theories are sound enough. People are not gullible but what supplement companies do is meddle with human emotions and use psychology to persuade the potential client that their product will provide him/her with emotional, physical, and spiritual wants that one craves all you have to do is look through Muscletech ads, Fizogen ads, Designer Whey ads, etc... They don’t market their product they market an image, and if they succeed that image will be attached to the product. That image is usually sex in one form or another and that’s a biological need of every person on this planet.
All of us where newbs at one point or another and we have improved though learning and educating ourselves. Even though that his question may sound "newbish" and "silly" to some people I don’t see the necessity or justification of disrespecting him, sure his level of understanding of this particular subject may be inferior to others on this board but that fact does not give you the permission of making fun of him and hazing him.
I also believe this board has moderators that work for Avant Labs in one way or another and by making fun of any person and pretty much telling him that he is a “dumb ass” will not improve your business and sales of your products. Why not respectfully answer the question with scientific objectives and point him to the right direction. Maybe tell that person that you have a superior supplement that can help him in pursuit of his/her goal, show him the right information and point his to the right direction that will show professionalism, care, and respect perhaps that may increase the companies clientele, and sales.
We are all here to improve and get more information, making fun and hazing a person will only anger him driving him away from this board but in reality that person may have had some knowledge and experience to share and contribute to this board that could have been in use to all of us. But rather you choose to alienate him. Driving him away and Avant Labs could have lost a potential costumer. This is just my opinion on this matter.
Read the thread. Layne was referring to the post immediately before his.
QUOTE(NickFrequency @ Nov 11 2004, 02:31 PM)
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it boils down to this: most people don't think for themselves... period. They are weak minded are willing to believe someone who is "swole bro"
Str8flexed I will disagree with you! People do think for themselves and they are not weak minded! If people did not think for themselves new research and new ideas would not resurface, people would stop conducting studies and experiments and no new theories would be formed. Why would people bother to improve? We have studies that were conducted 10-20 years ago let us use that. We don’t need new research those theories are sound enough. People are not gullible but what supplement companies do is meddle with human emotions and use psychology to persuade the potential client that their product will provide him/her with emotional, physical, and spiritual wants that one craves all you have to do is look through Muscletech ads, Fizogen ads, Designer Whey ads, etc... They don’t market their product they market an image, and if they succeed that image will be attached to the product. That image is usually sex in one form or another and that’s a biological need of every person on this planet.
All of us where newbs at one point or another and we have improved though learning and educating ourselves. Even though that his question may sound "newbish" and "silly" to some people I don’t see the necessity or justification of disrespecting him, sure his level of understanding of this particular subject may be inferior to others on this board but that fact does not give you the permission of making fun of him and hazing him.
I also believe this board has moderators that work for Avant Labs in one way or another and by making fun of any person and pretty much telling him that he is a “dumb ass” will not improve your business and sales of your products. Why not respectfully answer the question with scientific objectives and point him to the right direction. Maybe tell that person that you have a superior supplement that can help him in pursuit of his/her goal, show him the right information and point his to the right direction that will show professionalism, care, and respect perhaps that may increase the companies clientele, and sales.
We are all here to improve and get more information, making fun and hazing a person will only anger him driving him away from this board but in reality that person may have had some knowledge and experience to share and contribute to this board that could have been in use to all of us. But rather you choose to alienate him. Driving him away and Avant Labs could have lost a potential costumer. This is just my opinion on this matter.
i am referring to the so-called "educated people" who even after you present the evidence they still spit in the face of the evidence with "bro it works for me and look... ronnie coleman takes it... blah blah blah."
that is weak minded
QUOTE(str8flexed @ Nov 11 2004, 04:23 PM)
i am referring to the so-called "educated people" who even after you present the evidence they still spit in the face of the evidence with "bro it works for me and look... ronnie coleman takes it... blah blah blah."
that is weak minded
that is weak minded
What? This isnt the teen section of BB.com
QUOTE(str8flexed @ Nov 11 2004, 03:48 PM)
it boils down to this: most people don't think for themselves... period. They are weak minded are willing to believe someone who is "swole bro"
I have to agree. If it were not for str8flexed, we are most likely cheering glutamine now. Humans are herd animals, we follow the crowd, be it pop cultrue, financial or bodybuilding.
What other supplemnts are a must besides protein and creatine?
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What other supplemnts are a must besides protein and creatine?
Fish oil. Maybe vinegar.
I take multi vitamine, fish oil and vitamine E as regular supplement. Why vinegar?
QUOTE(Wellcum @ Dec 27 2004, 02:43 PM)
I take multi vitamine, fish oil and vitamine E as regular supplement. Why vinegar?
Because
str8flexed, I thought you were against Glutamine, how come your article on bodybuilding says it make sense.
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3. Glutamine- Glutamine levels can be depleted by up to 27% during a workout. Since low glutamine levels are associated with muscle breakdown it would make sense to take it.
The best way to figure out if Glutamine will work for you is to try it and see. Ask a question on 80% of the supplements available and you will get split responses (pros and cons). Unless a supp has some undesirable side effects buy and try.
For myself I find glutamine at 10mg post workout reduces my muscle soreness to very low levels. To insure I wasn't just imagining this after 2 weeks of glutamine, I went off it for 4 days. Post workout muscle soreness came right back each day.
For me having low levels of muscle soreness during the day makes it worth the $10/month Glutamine costs.
Best of luck
Cherokee
For myself I find glutamine at 10mg post workout reduces my muscle soreness to very low levels. To insure I wasn't just imagining this after 2 weeks of glutamine, I went off it for 4 days. Post workout muscle soreness came right back each day.
For me having low levels of muscle soreness during the day makes it worth the $10/month Glutamine costs.
Best of luck
Cherokee
QUOTE(Cherokee @ Dec 31 2004, 09:24 AM)
The best way to figure out if Glutamine will work for you is to try it and see. Ask a question on 80% of the supplements available and you will get split responses (pros and cons). Unless a supp has some undesirable side effects buy and try.
For myself I find glutamine at 10mg post workout reduces my muscle soreness to very low levels. To insure I wasn't just imagining this after 2 weeks of glutamine, I went off it for 4 days. Post workout muscle soreness came right back each day.
For me having low levels of muscle soreness during the day makes it worth the $10/month Glutamine costs.
Best of luck
Cherokee
For myself I find glutamine at 10mg post workout reduces my muscle soreness to very low levels. To insure I wasn't just imagining this after 2 weeks of glutamine, I went off it for 4 days. Post workout muscle soreness came right back each day.
For me having low levels of muscle soreness during the day makes it worth the $10/month Glutamine costs.
Best of luck
Cherokee
"10mg post workout" ?
QUOTE(ScottL @ Dec 31 2004, 06:30 AM)
QUOTE(Cherokee @ Dec 31 2004, 09:24 AM)
The best way to figure out if Glutamine will work for you is to try it and see. Ask a question on 80% of the supplements available and you will get split responses (pros and cons). Unless a supp has some undesirable side effects buy and try.
For myself I find glutamine at 10mg post workout reduces my muscle soreness to very low levels. To insure I wasn't just imagining this after 2 weeks of glutamine, I went off it for 4 days. Post workout muscle soreness came right back each day.
For me having low levels of muscle soreness during the day makes it worth the $10/month Glutamine costs.
Best of luck
Cherokee
For myself I find glutamine at 10mg post workout reduces my muscle soreness to very low levels. To insure I wasn't just imagining this after 2 weeks of glutamine, I went off it for 4 days. Post workout muscle soreness came right back each day.
For me having low levels of muscle soreness during the day makes it worth the $10/month Glutamine costs.
Best of luck
Cherokee
"10mg post workout" ?
ScottL
Thanks for catching that. I meant 10 GRAMS post workout.
Cherokee
QUOTE(Wellcum @ Dec 28 2004, 08:11 PM)
str8flexed, I thought you were against Glutamine, how come your article on bodybuilding says it make sense.
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3. Glutamine- Glutamine levels can be depleted by up to 27% during a workout. Since low glutamine levels are associated with muscle breakdown it would make sense to take it.
I wrote that article 3 years ago when i was young and stupid
glutamine is one of the biggest scams of the industry
I'm still waiting for Ethyl-Ester-Glutamine to come out (whether that would actually work or be beneficial I do not know).
QUOTE(str8flexed @ Dec 31 2004, 12:11 PM)
QUOTE(Wellcum @ Dec 28 2004, 08:11 PM)
str8flexed, I thought you were against Glutamine, how come your article on bodybuilding says it make sense.
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3. Glutamine- Glutamine levels can be depleted by up to 27% during a workout. Since low glutamine levels are associated with muscle breakdown it would make sense to take it.
I wrote that article 3 years ago when i was young and stupid
glutamine is one of the biggest scams of the industry
Thanks for clearing up. Do you have a revised supplement list? I use whey and casein only and plan some creatine later. Are there anything else that are just as important?
Also, you mentioned somewhere on the net that one only needs 3-5g of creatine monohydrate, no loading necessary, but it takes 30 days to saturate the cells, etc. Is this affect the commonly recommended 6-8 weeks creatine cycle? Or cycling is also not needed?
Thanks.
there is only small evidence that you need to cycle it. I have yet to experience diminishing returns with it over long periods of time (more than 16 weeks)
-Layne
-Layne
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