I plan on a Havoc or a var cycle,contingent on this potential side effect.

D Sade has mentioned that in his expirience,Havoc rendered Ambien impotent.I have insomnia as it is,the last thing I need is to potentiate it with a supplement.

If anyone has a viable explanation as to the mechanism of action behind this side I'd like to hear it and any anecdotal feedback would also be appreciated.

Perhaps this is similar to the oft-discussed "Trensomnia".

I haven't read any feedback indicating that Havoc aggravates pre-existing insomnia,besides D Sade's.Is there a conclusive reason as to why you think this would be comparable to tren's effect on sleep architecture or are you speculating?

D Sade is the only one who has had difficulty sleeping while on Havoc but one report along those lines is enough to have me worried.No other feedback indicates sleeping difficulties are to be had while on Havoc but I've only read through three logs on it on this board so that in itself means little.

I ordered three bottles of it last night so I'll find out soon enough,anyway.

There are a few more logs on AM. From what I've been following, I've seen no other reports of insomnia. Will you do Havoc standalone or in conjunction with oxandrolone?

Thanks for the feedback,that is what I was hoping to hear.

I'm going to run it with test e at 125mg weekly i.e.high end TRT dosing.I don't have any var on hand at the moment so other than the test,it'll be stand alone WRT androgens.I'm actually not using it chiefly for body comp/strength but for the mental effect it may or may not exert.

I'm on bupropion at 150mg e/d and plan on ramping it up to 300mg to see if I receive neurological effects along the lines that that D Sade expierienced with this combo.In short,he posted that the two had a profound effect on him and believes the effect stems from the interaction of the two drugs.

I'm not sure if I'll bother with keeping a log but I will post the results of the trial.