OK bro's,

Primordial Performance offered me their new all natty transdermal PCT product, Dermacrine and 2 hormone tests kits to post a log.

ME: 31 yrs old, 5ft9, 180lbs, 5 cycles. Just came off a 6 month cycle of: test cyp/enth blend as the whole base w/3 months masteron enth (w/4wks of tbol) followed by 3 months of EQ (w/4wks of superdrol).

Result: Shut damn down.....

Regular PCT (28 days worth) started 21 days after last shot:
100/50/25/25 clomid with 25mg nolva thrown in every Monday for good measure.

So I took my last clomid Thursday morning. I am still shut down, needless to say....my libido is GONE!! Im a sex addict yet I have not even been interested lately which does not make my wife happy Also I dont think my boys have regained their former size and glory. So if I was not going to use Dermacrine I would run more clomid or some toremefene....anyways....down to biz.....

Supps: multi/vits E-C-B complex-zinc-glucosamine-flax seed oil-creatine

Also, Thursday I finished a 4wk cycle of Bigfoot igf 80mics @ 3x/wk (40 bi-lat intra-mus/Post WO)

Primordial Performance gave me two saliva test kits. This morning bright n early I filled the test tube up w/spit, sealed the package up and stuck it in the pre-paid mail pack. In 2 wks I should get the results and will post them here. Specifically my test/estrogen/dhea levels will be tested.

In 2 wks, which PP says is when the Dermacrine really kicks in, I will take another test and post those results.

Anyways, the Dermacrine is applied to the upper body/shoulders. So after my shower and spit test, I applied the Dermacrine. The kit comes w/a spray pump top (40sprays/daily application) or lotion pump (4-5 pumps/daily application)...since I love a good pump...I chose the lotion top. 2.5 pumps on each shoulder/upper pec.

Im looking for: increased energy/better mood/maybe a lil wt loss/bigger balls/and increased libido.....

The packaging was TOP NOTCH btw, and Dermacrine's instructions were in full graphic easy to understand detail. Very nice. Also the test kits were easy to understand and follow.

We will see how it goes......

OK guys 2 things:

1. I have reduced the dosage per suggestion by Primordial Performance. I was using 2.5 of the lotion pumps onto each shoulder (5 total). I have reduced that down to 2/shoulder. PP said they thougtht the product was more efficient than they had hoped and the dosage could be lowered.

2. I was hoping for more energy out of this, b/c it has DHEA in it which usually gives me a "boost". Well this morning I am wired for sound, which is great b/c I have early and very LLLLLONNNNG days and usually Monday's are rough. But today Im great.

holla,
bb

Thanks for the updates bb.

TTT.

-Pp

Energy levels are good. Maybe slight increase in libido. Hard to tell yet. Waiting on lab test.

bb

BTW DHEA suppresses gonadotropins and create estrogens.It isn't supposed that would help bringing your natural back cause is exogenous hormone.

Zuper,

We included aromatase inhibitors to prevent the conversion to estrogens.

Although DHEA is an exogenous hormone is has a positive effects for its own creation. Please find my post about DHEA and hormone stimulation here -

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=27654

Thanks.

-Pp

Thanks PP for answering that one. Also I believe on AM or maybe BB.com there was a thread by BigCat and maybe Lake Mount D concerning this issue, which most people have settled on dhea does not increase estro.

Bump to update. OK Friday morning woke up w/hard wood, which is unfortunately a rare occurence anymore. PP said it would take 2 weeks for levels to rise.

Also, OK got my paper test results back from the saliva hormone evaluation. For some reason I cant access my results online, so Im going to call the company Monday. When I get access online, I will post the doc here. My results "pre-Primordial Performance" were:

Esterone: 4.5 pg/ml (this is High b/c the normal range is 0-3)
Testosterone: 134 pg/ml (Range is 44-148, this is age dependent but my test levels look good)
DHEAS: 4.5 ng/ml (this is Low, range is 2-23, which is age dependent but low for male my age I am very low still).


The evaluation said: "Esterone is high and reflects increased conversion from test to estrogens through aromatase enzyme activity. High esterone like estradiol, may contribute to symptoms of estrogen dominance (weight gain, night sweats, prostrate problems)"

"Testosterone is within range and symptoms of androgen imbalance are minimal."

"DHEAS is lower than expected age range (6-13 ng/ml for age range 31-60), suggesting adrenal fatigue. DHEAS is highest during the late teens to early twenties (10-20ng/ml) and drops steadily with age to the lower end of range by age 70-80 (2-9 ng/ml Which is where I tested at before PP). Mid-life DHEAS levels in both males/females are usually in range of 5-8 ng/ml. Low DHEAS may contribute to low androgen symptoms (decreased libido, depression, fatigue, memory lapses, and/or bone loss), since DHEAS is a testosterone precursor."

I took the 2nd test this morning and sent it off, so in 2 weeks I will have in the results and see how 2 wks of PP affected my hormone levels. Holler

bb

Thanks for the updates bro.

What dose did you use throughout?

-Pp

Used 5 pumps 1st 4 days, then went down to 2 pumps next 5 days, then back up to 5 pumps.

Bump for final saliva test results. Also, how did you like the product?

I think BB forgot about his log here... ;-(

Here is a link to his results -

http://www.primordialperformance.com/31_results.cfm

As you can see he had a 5x increase in testosterone and 7x increase in DHEA. He posted a more thorough log on outlawmuscle.com

-Pp

That looks like some good results. I just got my blood work back about a week or so ago and my level was really low. Low like a 60 year old man, except I'm 30. Is this sold anywhere else like NP or BN?

WORD. Please bring it to NP!

Nice results

Why don't you have a subforum here since you're a sponsor?

I think M&M gave us the diet forum instead of our own subforum… but maybe we should pickup one of those too…

Jon,

We keep our products exclusive to Primordial Performance. If you guys are interested in ordering feel free to take $10 off your order with the coupon code MVC10

Thanks.

-Eric

How long are these bottles supposed to last?

A bottle of Dermacrine will last 30 days on the average dose. (same dose the tester used)

-Pp