Will this product work as a topical capsaicin cream?

Composition:

Diclofenac Diethylamine BP
1.16% w/w equivalent to
Diclofenac Sodium BP 1% w/w
Capsaicin USP 0.025% w/w
Menthol IP 5% w/w
Methyl Salicylate IP 5% w/w in a gel


If yes, how should I dose it, and when?

I tried on the bb.com supplement forums, and they told me to ask here and that the people here (specifically the Avant Lab peeps) are relative experts in transdermal fat loss.

Any help is greatly appreciated

What brand is that? Most people used Capzasin-HP. Or, if you're feeling adventurous, you can mix some of this directly into your Lipoderm...

You may also want to look into raspberry ketones instead.

Can I order Capzasin-HP overseas? I live in India, and this is all I could find here OTC...

its called "Novartis Voveran® Thermagel™ "


So this wont work?

How effective are raspberry ketones used transdermally compared to capsaicin?

Thanks for the reply, will only be starting lipoderm ultra in about a week.

Im leaning out everywhere, but abs just refuse to budge. Beginning to get upper pec vascularity but still cant see much of my bottom 4 abs

thanks for the reply

I don't know if you can order it overseas or not - I'm assuming so if you have a similar product over there. That product should work, I don't see why it wouldn't.
They should be pretty effective. It is a vanilloid receptor agonist similar to evodiamine and capsaicin. You just wouldn't feel the burn with RK's like you would be capsaicin (although some people enjoy the burn simply from a psychological aspect).

Have you tried LU on its own first?

Nope, just heard the the duo stack was very effective, and im in the Bb.com Transformation Contest 07 and I wanted the most..uh.."powerful" transfermal stack I could get my hands on.

Alright, ill see if I can find something similar, thanks

You just missed out on the Lipoderm-RK testing thread. They were giving out free bottles.

I'd give the cap cream + LU a try first and see how it goes. If you also have access to nicoderm patches you can apply those to your stomach after apllication of the cap cream + LU (this is the original formula for Spookyderm - capsaicin, nicotine and Lipoderm).

Yeah, I saw the thread. Just a little late

Nicoderm? We dont have the same brands here, would any nictotine patch do?(the ones used for quitting smoking). They arnt very big..where on the abs do you apply them?

Also, in my thread on bodybuilding.com I got a response that "Methyl Salicylate IP 5% w/w in a gel" , the main ingredient, is just a pain-killer. Any idea if this will affect the capsaicins effects or affect my training?

Any brand should do, yes. Just apply them on the areas that you have the most trouble losing fat from. I think some people were able to cut the patches in half, but I'd opt for multiple patches with a smaller dosage.

I don't believe it should have an effect on its efficacy.

Alright, so something like

AM: Shower, dry

Capsaicin Cream (dosage?)

*wait for how long?*

Lipoderm Ultra (dosage?)

*wait for how long*?

Nicotine Patches (keep them on for how long?)

and repeat in the evening after all exercise and shower.

Sorry for all the questions, theres not much info on transdermal fat loss out there yet

Rub enough on to cover the area that you want to affect. Put on enough so that you can rub it into the skin and it will dry.
Until it's dry. I used to just wait until I could feel it - you should feel some warmth from it.

You'll probably want to go with the maximum dosage as indicated on the bottle.
Just follow the directions on the bottle. 10-15 minutes should be enough time to let it dry.

Keep them on all day. They should be 24 hour patches. When you go to do the second application of Spookyderm you'll want to remove the patches, shower, then re-apply. If you have problems sleeping at night, or your dreams are too wacked out, just take them off before going to bed, or you can just wear them for half a day and re-apply the next day.

Also, check out this thread. It's pretty much the definitive thread for any other questions you may have:

Spookyderm thread

Not sure yet, we're currently testing it out.

But my man, this needs to be understood- this shit might burn like crazy. Capsaicin alone burns bad enough, but the stuff you're thinking about using also has menthol in it. Be prepared to feel an intense burning.

With that said, Kim is right on.

I just used the product. Burning sensation exists, but its nothing bad. Its actually sort of fun, Im enjoying it lol. Its a cold/hot burn, one that you would get from something like Icy Hot.

Maybe the capsaicin content isnt enough? Should I up the dosage? I just used as much as needed to cover all the areas twice(abs and love handles)

Did you apply it, then the Lipoderm? Or did you just try it out by itself?

just tried it by itself, lipoderm still has a couple of days before it gets here. Im guessing its going to burn alot more with the lipoderm?

Its going to be weird walking around the whole day with a nictoine patch on my belly...

Yep, with Lipoderm, it could be a whole different level.

sounds like my kinda fun

Yeah, it's going to feel entirely different once you put the Lipoderm on top of it. The Lipoderm will carry the capsaicin into the tissue you apply it to. The capsaicin cream all by itself won't really do anything for fat loss, so I'd save it for when you actually have the Lipoderm.