hey all im new to this bord and it was recomended.
every bord i have been on they say its not possible to get big with legeal stuff and try to push the issue of steriods.
i find my self bying twin lab items more than any others

right now i have the following supplaments
i have andro nitrate 3 fuel
wich contains
4-AD-EC
1-AD-EC
A1-EC all 100 miligrams

it also has some other stuff such as l argine
i have liquid amino fuel
cell tech
nitro tech
glycer lean
zma
and some cheap gnc protein

now the problems i need help with is the phrohormones
i have heard alot of people say they make there own 1-test any one no how to do this? alot of people say that u cant get big off prohormones is this true????????

and if anyone else has anything to say about phrohormones fill me in

i no u guys will ask this so ok
im 21
i eat 321 grams of protein a day
6 foot
250 pounds
mostly flub
biceps are 15
chest 51
38 inch waist
triceps 19 1/2

thanks and i hope that i found a bord that will help and not knock me

Please don't take offense that I've moved your question to the newbie section. It's not an assessment of your general knowledge, but only on the nature of the question.

That said, this I will answer:

"Legal stuff" isn't ineffective just because it's legal. Hint, ECA and Creatine. And how do the 'Roid-boys forget this.

Pro-Hormone are quite effective if given the proper dose, proper substance (not all PH's are equal) and, delivery method.

Twin-Labs' product is under-dosed, and over-priced. You can get much more bang for your buck. If you're seeking orals, Ergopharm's 1AD is the best bet.

Topicals (such as those which we used to manufacture) are the most cost-effective in terms of money-spent versus gains.

As for "making your own 1-Test", this is called homebrewing. Mike (1Fast400) sells bulk 1-Test powder, among other things. A 1-Test/4-Diol stack is the best combination in terms of results. However, you really have to research possible side-effects.

I'd ditch your other supplements. Glycerlean, you might as well use a simple Whey concentrate or isolate. ZMA is only effective if you're Zinc deficient in terms of Testosterone elevation. Cell-Tech is okay, however a simple Creatine/Dextrose combination is just as good, and costs far less.

Nitro-Tech, same as said with Glycerlean.

How did you measure your biceps apart from your triceps??

If you're relatively new to training, however, I'd stay away from Pro-Hormone for now. Get your house in order, then later worry about the details.

Dante I was wondering about this actually I am now using SO+ which Mike has in stock ....can I then just buy the 1-Test powder and 4 AD then added it to your delivery gel which you still sell? If so is it just a matter of mixing the ingredients into the gel? I'm sure this has been asked a million times but with the FDA and One/SO+ what exactly happened there as far as the FDA's ruling why your formula and all PH are being sold fine??? Thanks Dante...The Smoke

No longer do we offer the gels, however, Mike does. Yes, you just simply mix your given PH/Steroid with the gel, up to ~15 total grams. Shake, let sit for a day, use.

We can no longer manufacture our (Steroidal) products, however retailers can still carry them. What's left is what's left.

Ok dude I'm going to save you an S-load of money and heartache. The twinlab stuff is nice on its face but just too damn expensive. If you want an oral estered product try Maximus nutrition Atomic T-bol. It has 100mg 1-test-ester AND!!! 100mg of 4-AD-ester which means you get 200mg per cap. I have had many repeat customers who enjoy this product.
Drop the nitro-tech and the cell tech and instead head on over to http://www.proteincustomizer.com for some similar products at 1/4 the cost.
ZMA is nice if your in a pro sport training camp and doing incredible volume of excersize, otherwise it isn't going to do much so just buy more Atomic T-bol.