Just some info before I post my stuff:

Height - 5'11
Weight - 185
Age: 21 3/4
Experience - 6 Years lifting.
Ph Cycles: NONE!

Okay ladies and gents, here is the plan - NOT LISTED: AI CYCLE SUPPORT TAKEN ALL THROUGHOUT PCT AND CYCLE:

Week 1: 10 Mg for the first 3 days, 20 mg for the rest of the week
Week 2: 20 mg
Week 3: 20 mg for the first 3 days, 30 mg for the rest of the week
Week 4: 30 mg


PCT:

1.) Toremifene!

Week 5: 120 Mg each day
Week 6: 90 Mg each day
Week 7: 60 Mg each day
Week 8: 30 Mg each day

2.) USP PowerFULL - New - Full Dosing

3.) Nutraplanet ATD:

Week 5: 25mg
Week 6: 50mg
Week 7: 50mg
Week 8: 75mg


4.) Fenugeek

Week 5: 1 Gram
Week 6: 2 Grams
Week 7: 3 Grams
Week 8: 4 Grams


That is it for now...Anything else? All of your help is GREATLY appreciated. Just looking to be safe and effective here. Also, after the last week of PCT, should I taper of the ATD, or stop it? Same with the fenu.

You don't need the ATD.

Okay - So pull the ATD and I will be fine?

Anything else? If not, I am going to get some bloodwork and start this up. Still looking for a comment from Dsade, just incase.

Edit - I heard about Dhea - Should I add some in?

Sounds like you're from AM. Personally, I would just run it without, to see what's it like by itself.

No ATD on cycle. Matt has had success with DHEA and Havoc, not sure what his dose is. I'll make sure he stops by this thread. Are you going to keep a log here? Please post bloodwork if you would!

I will be running a log and posting bloodwork.

As of now, PCT is Fenu, Torm, and PowerFULL. I have heard good things about DHEA in there though, so if I can get some dosages from Dsade, I will be getting my bloodwork done and getting this cycle underway.

RW,

I am running 100mg per day of DHEA.

What is DHEA for in this case? Would this make more sense for the over 30 crowd?

Overall well-being. I found that havoc alone produced a somewhat 1-dimensional feel (strong, aggressive...but not "normal"), and the inclusion of DHEA provided that depth of calm health.

And it protected his joints by raising his Estrogen levels slightly... Havoc is a longterm anti-e; hence why people's joints are falling off.

Matt tends to run higher WRT dosages and such (40mg Havoc per day) so you needn't use 100mg DHEA.Liberal consumption of DHEA may not be such a good thing,from what I've picked up in the neuroscience forum on this board and I'd rather be conservative than liberal with what I put into my body anymore.

That said,50mg of DHEA in the morning should be sufficient.

I used Dermancrine (transdermal DHEA by Primordial) with a Havoc clone before. Worked great and kept libido up throughout cycle.

I really wish someone would address the fact that your estrogen STAYS low even after cycle.

When you say "longterm anti-e" what do you mean by that? I am assuming you have some sort of proof? Just curious.

I am just not sure how it would continue to lower E after it leaves your system (which from what I have seen the half life is something like 6-8 hours, if I remember correctly).

People have low estrogen and creaky joints after Havoc cycle, or atleast that is what they are saying.

I felt this and I was generally achey @ 30mg ED, but when I dropped back down to 20 it went away.

I'm more worried about the estrogen levels after you come off... This freaking drug was used to fight breast cancer in women.... I mean, come on, this one is obvious. I'm not suprised people are getting sick either, seeing as it bottoms out estrogen levels.