I used it as the original sample pf Spike (when they sent it out in the fancy packaging with the little travel pod...), and now I have it from Giant, threw it on an order to get to the free shipping threshhold...no matter my dosage...I can't feel anything.

Taken 100-200-300mg, taken in the AM, PM, when tired, when awake, pre-workout, pre meeting at work...

Once, I thought it gave me more endurance in the gym...but who knows..

What do you all "feel" on Sulbutiamine?

I've been using 250-300mg with 250mg of caffeine before weights for the last few months and I definitely feel endurance enhancement, though subtle. It is more pronounced when i'm doing an actual endurance activity.

I tried it alone and it didn't do much.

I get variable effects from nootropics (esp the racetams) and stims (like sulbutamine, stimX).

I think it has to to with absorption (ie competitive inhibition, binding, etc) that results in variable amounts getting absorbed. For myself, I get very different effects from sulbutamine depending on my most recent/current food consumption. An empty stomach and/or dairy, and I get nothing out of it. My best results are with around 25g carbs (aka OJ), let that sit for 5 min, then taking 200mg sulbutamine, 200mg caffeine. If I take it that way after 5pm, I cannot fall asleep for about 7-10 hours. It is not so much a supplement I acutely feel, it is more that I realize I am not sleepy at all...for hours (IF I absorb it). Same thing with StimX - sometimes is good, sometimes nothing. Same with oxiracetam - some times I can "feel" it, others nothing. Not sure on -racetams what is causing the diminished absorption, but IMO, sugar is the best thing for me to increase uptake of sulbutamine.

Well the ALRI venom which contains something like sulb (thiamine trisulfide), which I took for the first time this morning, stated I should take it with food. I didn't, and havent eaten yet and feel little from it so far. I wonder what my lunch time will bring.

I notice a dose of around 300mg with about 100mg caffeine. I become for verbally well-spoken, and idea flow seems slightly more unimpeded. A solid stacker with OTHER Noots, but not TOO noticeable on it's own.

Sulbutiamine's primary effect is in the speech and language centers of the brain. This product should be thought of as primarily a nootropic, not necessarily a pre-worjout stim IMHO.

Good to see you here, YR.

I'm finally getting those bulk Sulb caps out in around 2 weeks. I will offer some for testing, if any here is interested.

Sweet! I am debating ordering some from BN (powder). How many mg/caps will you be selling? Price? I may wait...

BTW it is weird that I get most out of Sulb with juice/carbs bc it is lipophilic, and I originally assumed I would feel it more with a fatty meal to aid absorption. Still unsure of what I don not...

Should be around $20 for 100*200mg caps.

SOLD!

I've been wanting to try it for a while now... will wait fer this price.

Hmmm...I'll try it with carbs and some fish oils tomorrow morning...see what goes down

I take 600mg of capped Sulb every morning with a cup of coffe. It really wakes me up! It gives a verbal fluency that normally I do not have in the morning. So, if I have to give a workshop in the morning Sulb is a must for me.
BTW in lower doses it is not effective for me.
I tried 200mg and I got nothing really.
While trying 400mg I began to feel some results.
At 600mg the results are very clear to me.
The only problem that I have with Sulb it is that my sweat and my urine get a typical ugly smell.
Anybody got anything like that?
I would be very interested for some testing D Sade.

Have you noticed any loss in efficacy from using it every day?

Yes, definitely. I have to cycle it every 4 weeks.

Sulb powder for me is quite disgusting.
I would say that is disgusting as Piracetam powder with juice can be!
You truly want to cap Sulb.

It's meant to be used for no more than 6 weeks (servier's product label) at a max of 3x200mg per day.

It's one of the best noots for me...it does increase verbal fluency and brain power -quickness of thought- while regulating my sleep patterns which are usually messed up badly by cholinergics such as piracetam. Sulb has some kind of action on memory formation (positive) and so does have some impact on acetylcholine mechanism, but not in the same way as the usual noots.
Its major downside is its taste, much much worse than piracetam. I take it (powder, I only use 100mg which would be hard to cap) with honey, works great!

Sulbutiamine is the first Nootropic I have tried. I find it works very well for me and stacks well with caffine, energy pills, thermos and fat burners for the extra stimulation and energy. I have no idea what 100-200mg doses would do because the caps I take from Unique Nutrition come in 300mg dosages which I feel is ideal. I would usually take 300-600mg then another 300mg. Im still playing around with doses and havnt finished my trial but after a 4 day break a single 300mg at a time is sufficient.

Possitive Effects include -

Verbal fluency and articulation
Mental and physical energy
Alert and a feeling of being wided eyed at times (which I like)
Positive effect on mood, even slightly euphoric at times
More social and talkative
Confident
Brain seems to be generally sharper and faster
Can be stimulating
Has Amphetamine qualities
Memory
Puts brain in a wakeful state but is no amphetamine
Regulate sleep wakes cycles ( I did notice at the start I did wake a little heavier and did sleep longer)

All the above attributes are significant and prominant to me. I dont know maybe im a good responder. Im also an x recreactional drug user so its helped do what I wanted.

After the first dose it can last the distance but I cant be definative because I keep taking a second does to keep it going. Iv noted 5-6 hours.

Negative effects noted -

None, but im not sure how or if tolerance builds. I am noticing a slight tolerance but I wouldnt put it down as a negative.

Sulbutiamine is not something that hits you with effects and is more subtle in that way. Although I notice nice effects within a hour. I use it for work and give it two hours. Its also fat soluable so you need to take it with some fat or oil. I ussually have the first dose with a few whole eggs. The next one with anything from canned tuna to steak or what ever.

Effects of Sulbutiamine do vary at times. I dont want to comment on it any further until im finished my bottle. So far im very happy and actually supprised how well it works and will definatly be buying more in bulk so I can tweak things further.

I do find Sulbutiamine should be used more as an aid and not something to rely on or wait and see how it effects you. I think to appreciate it you need to just go about your day and dont really expect anything if that makes sence.

I got very pronounced stimulant like mental effects at 1.2g dosed 2x daily on an empty stomach, but I wouldn't recommend this because coming down was miserable. I like it a lot mixed with a pre-workout stack such as Primal N20 and about 600mg of sulbut. Provides just the right amount of increased focus and intensity. At dosages less than 600mg I felt absolutely nothing.

For me Sulb was noticeable in a subtle way with cardio/exer, but, after reading this thread, I took some Sulb a coupla hours ago (with a sardine salad) just to see if it would help (noopishly) with some study/work stuff I gotta do, but no, actually, I just feel restless, almost impatient, and losing mental focus a bit.

YMMV.

Like I said to Skigazzi, Sulbutiamine is fat soluable and cant be taken on an empty stomach. You need to take it with some fat. Maybe then you will get more noticable effects at lower doses. I also wonder how taking other Nooptropics and stimulants or ongowing use of Sulb effects your responsiveness to it. Sulb was my first Nootropic and find it to be a good cognitive and stimulating enhancer.

You said this and Steve from UN said this, but I got plenty of effect whether taken with or w/o fat. For me it was the dosage that mattered. I'm not sure I believe that fat is needed, but that is not based on science, just personal experience.

sulb is a great anti-fatigue supplement 600-900 mg is optimal dose for me, i see diminishing returns after. stacks well with stimulants for a preworkout boost. Usually I'll finish my workout (while on sulb) and feel like i can go another round, making cardio bearable

jd, have you tried a lower dose with fat?

tried all doses in 300mg increments up to 1.2g with and w/o fat on multiple occasions. empty stomach works better for me. Same with Stimulant X (which I believe also contains this - at least the old version) and also Venom

Ah interesting. Have you read others reports on venom, and the best uptake of it? I've got into the habit of taking it with something sweet though I don't know if it is helping.

Methodice: I have not read any reports on Venom, but I do have 3 bottles worth of use under my belt and plenty of experimentation with it. I also find this works best dosed 1-2 caps on an empty stomach 1st thing in the morning. I usually don't re-dose in the afternoon because it keeps me up at night. I find that SyntheSIZE is keeping the cramps at bay I used to get from Venom.

Recently I got some bulk sulb. and have done exactly what's in bold but not noticed much of anything In fact I was yawning and almost falling asleep 3 hours after the 1.2 g w/ fat dose... will continue to experiment.

Are you taking it with caffeine?

I felt pretty much zero difference while being on and off Sulbutiamine.

IME it is not overwhelming, like Piracetam or something like AMP. It is a solid compound to STACK into a quality noot regimen to boost verbal performance and oral communication.

Put it this way...it reduces "resistance" to finding the right word quickly....therefore you are able to communicate more effectively with less effort.

For me, strong cup or two of joe is enough to give me an impressive mood lift and make me less hesitant in conversation -- I was avoiding caffeine on my sulb. days so as to avoid confounding the effects.

Is there any pharmacological reasoning to combine it with caffeine? Or just anecdotal synergism between stims?

BTW -- This is NP sulb. As a note, 2 of my recent orders both arrived 2 days after pushing the "confirm order" button.

2 days? Time to crack some skulls.

As far as the caffeine, anecdotal but from MANY sources.

power jolt worked really good. And UN sulbutiamine with two caps with caffeine and whole eggs.

OK, since I started this little discussion, tomorrow morning, its one scoop of Focus XT and 300mg Sulbutiamine...If I get fired for freaking out or something Im gonna post here angrily.

I've been taking mine with 4 whole eggs. I'll experiment more this week, working with/without caffeine.

yeah i ate two whole eggs with rice for two caps. i felt the full effects of it by the 3rd hour of taking it. It was like i was in the zone. but before the eggs and sulb. i took 1/4-1/2 R4W, 2 ani, 1 oxi, 2 piracetam, 1-2 centro. But i never felt that before until i added the sulb.

guess you are a non-responder.

Anecdotally and completely unrelated, I find that adding 1.2g of ALCAR to almost any stim I take puts me through the freaking roof.

I also find ALCAR or PLCAR to be a nice adjunct to other stims.

Why do you think the CAR's increase stim perception?

Anybody take or now if taking sulbutiamine with 1g fish oil caps would be sufficient as a fat source.

Huh! Who knew that Sulbutie did so little for so many folks!

Part of the problem seems to be dose, for sure- over at imminst.org, you hear of folks taking up to a gram as an un-toleranced dose. I recently purchased some of 1fast's bulk sulbutie, and I'm incredibly impressed. I took some (500 mg or so) the other night when I was going out bowling, and it is how I imagined an amphetamine would be like, though the real thing falls short. It goes great with dextroamphetamine. I found it useful for working out, getting me energetic in a way that ALA does, though more so. Stimulated, but without the overly-spun, over-sensitive and annoyingly (to myself) over talkativeness that I associate with dextroamphetamine. I was even able to fall asleep easily enough, and slept without disturbance, after sort of relaxing for a few minutes. I've been quite impressed with the stuff.

Maybe I'm odd. I've never seen a thing from ALCAR (1fast bulk), and though I've never taken it by itself. I take it on an empty stomache in the AM, dissolved in water with a buch of other stuff, an hour or more before I eat anything. I'm surprised to see folks talk about ALCAR like they do, but I've never noticed a thing. I first tried ALCAR via an ALCAR/ALA combo from Wallgreen's, and I definitely noticed something from that, but as far as I can tell it's just what I get from ALA by itself.

Never saw much from Piracetam or Oxiracetam, but I do most definitely get something out of Aniracetam. Mood and intelligence boost. Considering sulbutie's non-polar solvency, I'll have to add it to my "morning cocktail," which thus far only contains Aniracetam dissolved in a few mLs of whatever liquor we have which I like the least. Now that the Midori's gone, it's been some coffee liquor. A much more effective way to take Aniracetam than capped IMHO, more noticeable effects.