Over the last 18 months or so, a number of herbal bodybuilding aids have come to market and, unlike the many many that came before them, these seem to work. I have read a large number of logs on 3 different forums and PMed half-a-dozen people whose reviews I find reliable before reaching this tentative conclusion. As far as I can see, there are 3 main MOAs these herbal concoctions employ (some of them have non-herbal components)

1- Boost testosterone via Estrogen manipulation (Hyperdrol, Jungle Warfare etc..)

2- Act as a direct AR agonist (Ebol, I think is the best example of this)

3- Improve hormones other than Testosterone (PowerFull and a few other than aim to increase GH secretion fall into this category).

The above list may be well off. If so sorry, because so far my reading has been focused on determining if these things are worth the money; to me it looks they are. I am only now trying to understand what the hell they actually do in the body. First, how would you change, enlarge the list above? Is my assessment accurate?

Secondly, what are the consequences in terms of health and post cycle impact of the supplements in the first category. Can we manipulate Estrogen/Estradiol/Testosterone in any way we desire and suffer no ill effects? Is there any kind of rebound after ceasation of these? Do Estrogen levels fall so bad with these that lipids suffer?

Thirdly, E-Bol seems to have done what has been attempted for decades; a herb that actually acts as an AR agonist in vivo... I am finding this impossible to believe but users report excellent results with the product. If the MOA is as I described, what are the sides? Can these kinds of products be employed indefinitely?

Finally, there was a looong discussion on PowerFull and a great deal of dissatisfaction with the labeling methods of the producer surfaced. However, I didn't see any discussion here as to whether a herb concoction can actually increase GH output dramatically. If USP cleans up its act can we reasonably hope to seriously elevate GH levels with this product?

Long question, I know. Any help is greatly appreciated...

Sub7