I see that Nutraplanet has 1,3-dimethylamylamine powder available by the gram. Who is going to be the first person to rail a line? And what adventurous psychonaut will cook up a shot and mainline it? Honestly, I wonder how useful it is standalone. My caffeine intake is usually fairly high throughout the day, and I'd rather do without the 70 mg per cap of AMP when it comes to workout time.

http://www.suprememuscle.com/product/1323/...lamylamine.html

This is going to be bad I think.

Oh boy.....some one is going to make preworkout cocktail with this and give themself a heartattach, stroke, etc.

I dunno, is it that bad? I have a bottle of AMP and didn't notice much of an effect from it. Nothing like any dopaminergic I've used. I can't see it having a big abuse potential, I've taken fairly high doses of it and noticed nothing I wouldn't attribute to the caffeine. I don't see any PubMed studies to see if I'm just smoking crack here...

PA specifically said that he put caffeine in Amp to curtail possible abuse potential.

A few people don't notice much from it, but most do.

The only source I would trust for Geranamine is Ergopharm.

No offense to any other company.

I ordered and received (fast as usual) geranamine from nutraplanet and this stuff is either illegal or what it claims to be.

What dosage are you taking and with what method?

recommended 25mg orally

Huh. Crazy. I'll have to try it again then.

im in... waiting to receive..

all in the name of science

PA said LD50 is 18 grams, and i think he took like 200mg or something
there was a thread on bbcom, giant is suppose to sell it too

What has his response to 200mg?

I have determined that this stuff doesn't clear quickly enough from my system to be of any use, hence I threw it away.

I swear it lasts like 2++ days, and I had to take inderal to sleep. Not my cup of tea.

Did amp do the same thing to you? How much did you take?

Is there any documented half-life of this stuff?

I never had problems sleeping with Amp. Lately I can even pop two caps pre-workout at night and then sleep just fine.

I feel just the opposite, that effect is just what I'm looking for these next two days! Mine is due to arrive today. I'll make myself into another guinea pig. BTW, have you tried regular AMP before? (personally, I haven't yet)

I never noticed that from AMP, but I did try 100mg of the geranamine powder which is more than I ever took from AMP.

I just don't want to mess with it, it feels really physical and dirty, when dosed alone.

This is just my personal reaction, and I am not saying anything definitive about it. Other people may love it. There is no doubt that this stuff is powerful.

I think PA came up with a nice mix in his AMP formula and I will go with that.

I once had a bad experience on AMP. I was under a lot of stress to get a project done so I thought I would pop some AMP. I took 3 tablets and boy was I in for surprise.

About 1 hr later I got super dizzy, extreme headache, seeing lights, and sweats. I ended up having to take a cab home and I spent the next 6 hours puking my guts out. I had a large coffee an hour before so I am thinking I just might have ODed on caffeine. I blame no one but myself but it definitely was the amp, i have had a few food born illness and this was totally different.


Like I said, I should have known better but it was pretty scary.

Ugh, that sounds pretty bad...

Subjectively speaking, it seems like the geranamine in Amp amplifies the caffeine in it... I've often used 1-2 caps of Amp with some additional caffeine (half caff coffee) or even additional chocamine with nice effects.

Dont underestimate the positive effects from the addition of Chocamine. AMP is a brilliantly designed supplement that balance the stimulation (which can be dirty alone) with the mood enhancing benefits of Chocamine.

Doubt I will try this powder alone, without Chocamine.

That said, this would be a good way to experiment in combination with Noots, as well as something like Bacopa.

Have you decided what ratio you plan to use? I'm still waiting impatiently for Fedex to show up...

From the nutraplanet thread:

I just took my last 2 amp, 500mg chocamine, and 100mg extra caffeine and I'm experiencing more euphoria from this than I would have expected/anticipated. I'm not complaining and full of energy, but it was unexpected and delightful.

stuff burns just like PEA.

IN?

absolutely....I was just informed that the Chocamine is out of stock, so give me a week or so for restock. Also, look for an interesting stack sale coming up.

So no one has tried this with anything interesting or are we not going to discuss this avenue?

id love to try this, but unless somebody caps it, customs are going to have a field day on my ass.
shame too, as i tried the powder from PA's original beta's and loved it.
chocoamine blunts the effcts too much for me...

oh well....

I just added ~25mg sublingually to a serving of Clear Edge...this should be interesting.

Definitely going to be watching here.

So after~30 minutes, I felt the same "hit" behind the eyes that GHV gave me. I went down to the local bistro feeling rather decent: focused, energized, but not stimmed. Whilst at the bistro the geranamine hit and now I'm stimmed, but not dirty. Mental euphoria, in no danger of falling asleep, an intense drive to do something but not shakey. In fact, I just did the hand check and I was fine, no jitters. The strange thing is that, though I had a beer and half a small pizza, my appetite seems blunted, which is not something I paid any attention to whilst on AMP.

That said, I only got the geranamine in ~45 minutes ago, so we'll see what's what here in the next hour.

Euphoria has increased, as I subjectively notice music is more colorful and I'm mentally restless, ready to multitask complex problems. It's a very "forward" energy, but it's not feeling dirty at all, not like too much ephedrine, for instance.

OK, FedEx finally came late yesterday (we're no longer on speaking terms).

What I did:

Spent a lot of time playing with my new scale, and I made my first few 00 caps by measuring them out one-by-one. I used 14 mg geranamine per cap. Then I literally dropped in 1/4 of a solid caffiene cap (this dose is equivalent to 50mg), which I had cut up using an unnecessarily large, sharp knife. (If I'm being anal, might as well go all the way). I then topped them off with chocamine. A 00 cap seems to hold 368mg of chocamine, untamped, if that's the only thing in it. So I figure mine had about 250mg-300mg (caffiene pills aren't dense).

Results:

Took 2 caps at 4:30 pm. Dicked around online for half an hour, and filled more caps. Took one more cap. Hadn't shaved yet, decided to do that for the next hour (yea, it takes that long, I'm old school with the badger brush etc). Towards the end, I did start feeling more energetic. Started cleaning my room, the bathroom, etc. I want to do productive things.

It's 6:00, and I decided that I want to go for a run. Took one more just for fun.

Tip:

I decided later that it would be more accurate to weight out 14mg * 8 = 112mg of geranamine. Then I cut it up into 8 piles with a credit card. I still don't have a mortar and pestle, so I don't trust myself to pre-mix my stack. I fill caps individually. But here's the idea I stumbled into. In true dumbass form, I forgot to put caps in my Cap-em-Quick, and dumped the geranamine into empty holes. *** It fills the BOTTOM of the Cap-Em-Quick PERFECTLY !!! *** So for quick measurement, use the bottom piece of plastic to get a PERFECT quick measurement. Just do one at a time, dump it into a paper "funnel", and dump that into a cap. Do like 8 of those, and then setup the Cap-Em-Quick the regular way to fill chocamine.

Time to run.

If you use a different colored powder as a filler, mix with geometric dilution and use a glass and a metal spoon for the mixing the results are quite decent, also once you have done enough mixes with coloured fillers you should be able of guessing when it is enough mixing with uncolored ones, of course it is time consuming and a true wrist burster to use force between the spoon and the glass, it takes me about 20mins for 50 caps worth of powder.

I'll have to give it a try soon. I'm still a novice, so I'm mostly making "sample batches" for now (even 8 is unusually large at the moment). Once I get my favorite stacks down, I'll try that method.

That was the best run I've ever had. EVER. I want to describe it more, but I can't, I NEED to go to the gym and do chest day. For those who haven't tried AMP (like me), BELIEVE all the comments you've read. I still haven't tried it, but if it's like this, it's amazing. The only people I can see not being amazed at this are people who wake up and pop amphetamines every single day.

Sorry for the caps. It's 100% warranted.

Just an update:

There was no crash, none. I can't wait to stack this with chocamine/caffeine and see how it goes for working out, instead of just sitting here all euphoric.

to much chocamine there bobstewitt IMO

To be honest, I'm not sure that chocamine even affects me. I've taken three 00 caps (just chocamine) and not noticed anything significant.

But the geranamine... wow, it's been an interesting night. It's just wearing off now, but there's no crash whatsoever.

I've also noticed no crash on the straight powder even at 100mg. 2 caps of AMP would cause a decent crash 3.5 hours after ingestion. Crash is even worse with 50mg bulk and 2 caps of AMP and feels dirty. 2g PEA+2gHordenine+50mg 1,3 dim no discernable diff over 50mg 1,3dim. 50mg 1,3 and 3 caps yellow neuphoria induced a fair bit of euphoria that lasted 30 mins. 100mg 1,3 and unknown amount of kratom was very very nice for 1.5 hours.

the crash is only on the third day, and I'm guessing it ahs more to do with caffeine than geraniumine. so if you continue to drink coffee, less crash for you.

So has anyone attempted to drop this into their eyeball yet? Should be the fastest way to get any effect...

or has anyone snorted it yet?

And maybe this is WAY too far out, but tried smoking it?

1. Yes, and I dont recommend it.

2. Yes, it vaporizes easily. Get about the same effect as sublingual with it dissolved in water.

Care to elaborate a bit on dosage and effects?

I DARE YOU! Muah ha ha ha. J/K you might not want to die.

could you provide a link to the nutraplanet thread.
Thanks.

Several people have already snorted it.

My workout buddy took what looked to be a fairly large oral dose of this stuff before a workout the other day. He didn't seem abnormally hyped up while lifting, but afterward claimed to have a bad headache and felt an awful crash.

Does anyone know how much is in one serving (2 caps) of AMP?