Alright, this summer I'm going to undertake a super bulking cycle. Here is what its going to consist of:

4 weeks of Super One+ 6 squirts twice daily
4 weeks of 1,4andro 300mg a day

Post cycle
2 weeks 6oxo 600mg a day
2 weeks 6oxo 300mg a day

Repeat 4 weeks of super one+ and 1,4andro same dosage, followed by 6oxo same dosage. Nolvadex on hand, followed with usual androgen bulking cycle and post cycle maintaince.

Whaddya think?

Looks good. I might even experiment with 7-8squirts on occassion.

Tell me, why the 1,4 Andro as well (given the 4AD)?

Appetite stimulation

Roger.

Also, I'm not sure that 4weeks of 6-OXO is *necessary.*

I might try:
Week 1 and 2: 600mgs
Week 3: 400mgs

Just a thought.

Well, I've heard varying dosage schedules and I'm not sure which one to pick. This is my first time using 6oxo, but I assumed since I'm using a heavier dosage of androgens I might need a longer time of anti-e use for post cycle recovery.

All I know is post cycle 6oxo is getting to be more expensive than the Super One+

Yes, finding a way to convert 6-OXO to a trandsermal might be well worth the effort.

I'm running it topically right now.

Whats your dosage look like and how is it working? I've heard you may have to remove the fillers in it to be of use, did you do this?

I'm running a bottle (6g) in 240ml over 30 days. So, 100mg 2x per day, for 200mg/day total.



I just started dosing it Saturday, as I ended a 4-week cycle on Friday. So, tonight was my 4th application of the 6-OXO topical.

Even though I just started, so far, I would say that I am impressed. I started feeling better already this morning (better than the last 3 weeks of my PH cycle). I am already on my way to recovery. Quicker to notice an effect (at least so far) than my past experience with 6-OXO dosed orally.



Yes. I filtered the caps.

Interesting.

I'm curious, you say that 6-OXO has helped you "feel better." What do you mean by this--less lethargy, etc.?

I know this sounds like an incredibly strange, newbie-ish question, but I have always had terrible trouble perceiving how post-cycle recovery is coming along from the analysis of how I feel.

Tk, you are aware that you are erroneously using the Decipticon logo, when in fact, you should be using the Autobot logo in leu of being Optimus Prime. Just thought I would point that out to you.

Just one question why the hell would u bulk in the summer?!?!?!

hope the cycle works wonders pogue

Yes. You know the feeling when you are on cycle (1-test, not 4-AD), that you just don't "feel" right. Maybe instead of right, I should say you don't feel normal. And this feeling gets worse, the longer the cycle goes. For me, it is more than just lethargy. I'm not sure of the best way to describe it. Lack of motivation is another part of it.

Anyway, after applying the 6-OXO 2x on Saturday, I woke up Sun. morning, and felt better than I had in several weeks, since I had started my PH cycle. Very noticeable difference.

Other factors: Increase in libido. Again, very noticeable change within 24 hours time. Increased cardio endurance. Sunday morning I ran 4 miles in 24:59 (far from my best time). I was extremely pleased with this, as my cardio endurance, while on cycle, was an absolute joke. I was really struggling to get through cardio workouts, even shorter, and less intense than normal. That run on Sun. AM just wasn't anywhere near the chore to get through that cardio most recently had been. If I had wanted to, I could have ran farther.

Increase in (weight-lifting) workout stamina. I lifted Sunday night, and the workout went very smoothly. I moved quickly in-between exercises. It was a crisp workout. You know the type of workout where you just feel that you had a very efficient session. Well, on this last cycle, I was having an awful time with workout stamina, similar to my troubles with cardio endurance. I was not moving crisply in-between exercises. I needed more rest in-between sets, as my stamina was suffering. It was to the point, that the last 3 weeks of the cycle, I split my workout into AM/PM sessions. Instead of doing the whole workout in one session, I split it into 2. Doing about half each in the AM and the PM. This helped me keep a high volume and high workout intensity, by keeping the workouts shorter than I am used to.

Anyway, I did a full workout on Sun. night, and it went very well. Again, the workout wasn't anywhere near the chore that it had been the last few weeks of the PH cycle. It was like a weight had been lifted, as I just felt better during the workout. I was very pleased.

Basically what I am trying to describe (and doing a very poor job of it), is the post-cycle recovery feeling that I have experienced in the past with using 6-OXO (orally) after a PH cycle. The differences this time are I am coming off a 4-week cycle that felt like 8 weeks (probably due to my dosing). The decreased workout stamina that I experienced the past 3 weeks was by far the worst that I have ever had that particular symptom.

The other difference being that I am using 6-OXO topically this time instead of orally. I feel that the effects have been more pronounced and also taking effect more quickly than what I have experienced in the past with dosing it orally.



TK, this is just my opinion here based on reading your posts, so take it for what it is worth. I don't believe you have ever done a long PH cycle (correct me if I am wrong). 2 weeks at a time, or alternating 1 week on, 1 week off.

I think that the reason you have trouble feeling post-cycle recovery effects is because you are never feeling the (bad side) effects of a long PH cycle to begin with. Some of what I tried to describe above normally takes a couple weeks to set in, and it definitely intensifies (i.e. gets worse) the longer you go. Perhaps with keeping to shorter cycles, you have never significantly depressed your HPTA, so you have a hard time perceiving post-cycle recovery effects (as you don't really need it as badly as someone who did a 4-week or, even worse, an 8-week cycle).

I have done longer cycles, and I have done them both with and without an anti-e for recovery. I can tell you that there is a big difference in how you feel, in my experience.

Of course. Come on now, you think me a Transformers "poser?"


I'm actually at the moment trying to manipulate an M&M logo Eclypz sent me for the Avatar (very Transformers-ish), but settled on this for the time being. I could not find a good-looking Autobot logo which I liked.

Perhaps I'll just have to change my moniker to Starscream, or my boy Soundwave.

SJ,

Thanks for the detailed response. One reason I asked is that 6-OXO, for me, does little to remedy the lethargy. Usually, it is not untill I am off of everything that my energy levels begin to stabilize. The decreased cardio endurance is likewise something I have noticed as well--If I run too intensely or long, I develop severe cramping in the tibia/calves. Quite unpleasant.

As for your speculation that my having never run a long cycle may have prevented me from really experiencing the post-cycle rut, I suspect you are correct. In fact, that is the precise reason that I have sought to run shorter, more frequent cycles.

Thanks again.

I was rethinking my post cycle therapy and was thinking about this instead:

20mg of Nolvadex & 300mg of 6oxo for the first two weeks, followed by 10mg of Nolvadex & 300mg of 6oxo the following 1-2 weeks.

Interesting. I am going to be doing a similar 4 week cycle shortly, but with less 4ad, and more 1, 4 and probably a bit more 1Test.

When do you start?

Justin, I have run 6 week and 4 week cycles, and too have trouble "feeling" how recovery is going. SJ, other than lethargy, I don't really know what you mean when on, either.

Couple months

bump for thoughts on my post cycle nolva + 6oxo. 20mg nolva or 40? 300mg of 6oxo or 600?