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Blase Deviant
What do I need to know? Can I use it every day or do I cycle it? What do I cycle it with?

Thanks.
fitnecise
QUOTE(Blase Deviant @ May 16 2007, 11:47 AM) [snapback]401963[/snapback]
What do I need to know? Can I use it every day or do I cycle it? What do I cycle it with?

Thanks.


A typical beginners cycle of Havoc would be something like:
Week 1: 20mg
Week 2: 20mg
Week 3: 20mg (or 30)
Week 4: 20mg (or 30)

Using support supplements such as Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support and using a proper PCT (SERM) at the end of the cycle.

Please provide your age and lifting history/stats and we can help you further.
Blase Deviant
Thanks a lot. What is a SERM?

I'm 20 yrs. old, 160 lbs.

I dunno my current weightlifting stats because I've been out of it a bit.
fitnecise
QUOTE(Blase Deviant @ May 17 2007, 01:14 AM) [snapback]402104[/snapback]
Thanks a lot. What is a SERM?

I'm 20 yrs. old, 160 lbs.

I dunno my current weightlifting stats because I've been out of it a bit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_est...eptor_modulator

My advice would be to pick up a copy of Anabolics 2007, it is a good way to educate yourself on hormonal products. There is even a page on Havoc smile.gif

http://molecularnutrition.net/products_book.html

If you have specific questions feel free to ask.
Blase Deviant
Thanks a lot for the help.

I assume I'll eventually grow breasts and all the like if I cycle 2 weeks off instead of 1 and don't use a SERM?

I've already got some tamoxifen, but am looking for a legal/non-RX PCT to use next time?

Also, is 20mg tamoxifen/day too much, or should I use 10mg (I got them in 20mg)?
CaptainKimura
Would havoc be a bad idea if someone, that someone being myself, did quite a bit of drinking in the past?
Benson
QUOTE(CaptainKimura @ May 27 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]403594[/snapback]
Would havoc be a bad idea if someone, that someone being myself, did quite a bit of drinking in the past?


Depends on if by 'past' you mean last weekend...
CaptainKimura
QUOTE(Benson @ May 27 2007, 05:47 PM) [snapback]403608[/snapback]
Depends on if by 'past' you mean last weekend...

Nah, about two years ago, couple of month long benders in there.
Grassroots082
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letrozole

Letro = AI

Lots of real world studies in men w/ Clomid, that's what I would go with. I have used Torm before with great success as well.
Benson
QUOTE(uniquenutrition @ May 27 2007, 07:35 PM) [snapback]403617[/snapback]
Any SERM recommended over another?



Clomid or Tor. Stay away from nolva unless you are really concerned about gyno.
Kimbo
No disrespect meant is meant by this, but judging from your training questions it sounds like you're a beginner. Havoc (or even supplementation really) should be the least of your worries.
Benson
QUOTE(CaptainKimura @ May 27 2007, 06:38 PM) [snapback]403612[/snapback]
Nah, about two years ago, couple of month long benders in there.


Coincident consumption of alcohol and oral steroids is generally contraindicated but the liver has fairly impressive regenerative capacity so if you've been sober for a couple of years, I doubt it would be an issue.
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