Patience please, as I am trying my best not to make an ass out of myself. I'm so good at it though that it'd hardly be fair to completely refrain from it.

So, I'm wanting to keep this all on one order (obviously) for the shipping benefit of it all (and convience). I'm trying to get abliterate, 11-oxo, 6-oxo, ALCAR at once. I'm gonna stack this with activate, and HGW (sarm I belive is what this is classified as, yes?) and I'm tossing around the idea of maybe a rebound to complete the NHA stack. I've seen it suggested to cycle the 11-oxo for 3-4 weeks on/off.... What about the 6-oxo? 6 comes in bulk... what about the 11?

ok.. so organize yourself here jake... what I was hoping to get some feedback/advice on is

-should I add rebound to the stack? If so does it come in bulk from NP?

-does 11 come in bulk?

-is TRIONE or Androstene the 6 NP bulk version?

-can I add the 6 bulk powder to my abliterate to effectively make it a bad ass trans? Does it need to be cycled?

-is there any hope for my lame uninformed ass?

like is says above.... my apologies

I was hoping to make my order today.... maybe.... bump for ds or stryder

It does not come in bulk, but would be a good addition.


Not at this time...the Ergopharm 11-OXO is the way to go here.


Trione is the bulk 6-OXO caps.


trione is difficult to dissolve, but would be very good in penetrate for systemic absorption.
The more money you spend at Nutraplanet, the more hope you will have

why don't you help us out and let us know what you are shooting for with this menagerie of supplementation? What are your goals? I see Abliderate and 11-oxo, so I think fat loss but then again you toss a SARM and Activate in there and I think maybe some bulking. Order them together if you want but maybe don't run all of that stuff at once. Again, what are you trying to do here?

I do cyclic mass/fatloss phases. So I'll run an 11/abliderate combo with some GTE and maybe some libido type of supplement for 4-6 weeks then switch gears and run 6oxo with HGW ex, mauira puama and maybe some rebound. I've been kicking around the idea of experimenting with IGF but that is so far out of my usual take on things... I've been a natty bber for a two years. I am the guy who diets for 18-20 weeks and I've never used thermo or stims past coffee. I've experimented with NO supp a couple years ago because I worked at vitamin world but nothing major. Getting fed up with my body's tendancy to balance itself out at 170-175 lbs. I want to put on some LBM but all I seem to manage to do is get fat. Fat-ecto metabolism fucks me in the goat ass!

BTW - thanks Ds for your thorough response. I can always count on you my friend! I'll order today. When can we expect more 50% HGW and I've read a little about long term SARM use, but have we determined if it's a bad idea or not?

Also, I love latin, could you translate "In Ferrum Veritas" the truth within maybe?

when did the Androstenetrione Powder price go up? It was about a buck a gram for anything over 20 grams when I bought a couple months ago. Now it's almost $2.00 a gram for anything over 20.

My take would be to do the 11oxo & abliderate & ALCAR for cutting and then hit up the Activate + 6OXO or RR for bulking. Not sure what HGW refers to.

plaining on doing the pentrate combo, but I have zero experience mixing my own TDs. Just dump in 5-8 grams of the 6 and shake like I'm about to bake?

HGW - horney goat weed - iicarin

totally agree with your run down here lethaljd. Do you have experience with any of these products? Care to provide a brief review of any?

Yes, dump and shake. I did Dermabolics product that had 6-oxo in it. Made my shoulders break out pretty bad. Aside from that, it was a good product. I think you'll be pleased with your results.

Long term SARM usage is unknown for effect. The 50% HGW should be replenished within the next 3 weeks.

In Ferrum Veritas = In Iron, Truth.

Again, thanks for the guidance fellas. TransD of 6 apply like an androgel type of product to arms and chest?

Good to know about the iicarin, my 20% is running low. I'll probably take a break from it before ordering the 50% right away and resume it when I'm done with my cut.

Well well well, I just received my order today and immediately mixed up my 6TD. How long does it take to obsorb? I mixed and shoot vigerously for about 2 minutes then let it set for an hour before I got too excited and used two squirts. It obviously wasn't ready. It still had yellow chunks in it.

How long did you wait before applying after mixing Jon? I mixed in 7 grams of androstene.

very interesting stuff. I felt like a kitchen chemist for sure. Especially with my safety goggles and "love gloves" on.

I've used ALCAR extensively for the past year and a half. I love it for both the mental boost and the bump in nutrient partioning. I find it really helps me to focus on workouts and gives me some nice mental energy at the end of a long work day.

As for the Activate, I ran a log about the NHA stack in the supplements forum a few months ago. Do a search for it, but bottom line was I liked it a lot. I used rebound xt though. I also used some 6-oxo before and thought it was only so-so...but I didn't really have any expectations for it. I've since discovered that I hate anything that messes with my estrogen because I cramp like a mother on any type of AI. I have a bottle of Activate sitting around that I'm waiting to run, but I'll be going standalone this time. Even had to stop my Advanced PCT 1/3 of the way in due to cramping sides.

Let me know how you like the 11-oxo. I've had mixed results on cortisol control supps.

I mixed up the 6 which I'll be running with icariin (sarm) and some maura puiama (sp?) also from NP. With Activate. At first my libido was off the charts. I would pound AWAY like no one's business. Added some Tribulus and I'd have sex 5 times in a row, no problem. Except it felt like my dick head would explode. The effects have lessened to almost no effect felt whatsoever. Couldn't last forever I suppose.

Right now it's been abliderate, 11, ALCAR, Caffeine, choline, Green tea Ex, and animal pak. I do Rag before workouts, but it sucks balls. I add my own inositol (from now, bought at NP) and it's very high quality stuff. Wouldn't mind seeing it in bulk form as well.

I'm discontinuing the activate until I can run the 6 with it.