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Is there any point to taking other probiotics with Gut Health, or will the probiotics in Gut Health overshadow them?
QUOTE(skigazzi @ Nov 2 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]433601[/snapback]
Is there any point to taking other probiotics with Gut Health, or will the probiotics in Gut Health overshadow them?
For increased potency or another reason? Maybe look into a prebiotic product or digestive enzymes?
I was looking at NOW Super Enzyme to take with meals, but I wasn;t sure if a robust strain like gut health would just, well, overpower / digest / kick the ass of the other weaker strains.
That is not a probiotic, those are digestive enzymes. I found that when I took GH, not only it wasn't necessary to add a multi-enzyme, but it actually increased gas.
Ah...I see 
I'll just stick to gut health, as it is doing a good job for my 'issues'.
I'll just stick to gut health, as it is doing a good job for my 'issues'.
I would not take probiotics with digestive enzymes, there may be interference with adhesion. Probiotics will obviously increase enzyme output anyway.
As for adding other probiotic strains, it shouldn't be a problem but they may compete with each other somewhat. It is difficult to predict net effect with such a diverse system.
As for adding other probiotic strains, it shouldn't be a problem but they may compete with each other somewhat. It is difficult to predict net effect with such a diverse system.
Probiotic Qualities of KE-99
The lactobacillus casei sub-species, KE-99, was selected for its superior probiotic qualities. The primary effect of a probiotic is to reduce the likelihood of pathogenic organisms from establishing themselves and infecting the intestinal tract of a host. In order to accomplish this, the beneficial bacterium overwhelm the enteric sites to become the predominant bacterium present, and consume a significant portion of the nutrients which compromise or possibly eliminate the establishment and/or growth of any unwanted bacteria. (Competitive exclusion) In laboratory tests, however, KE-99 has demonstrated the ability to actually remove already established pathogenic bacteria in vitro (example: enterohemorrhagic E. coli 0157:H7). These bacteria often enter the intestinal tract via consumption of contaminated food and/or drink. This remarkable ability to reduce certain forms of pathogenic bacteria in vitro (currently being tested in vivo in swine) is one of the features that sets KE-99 apart as a superior probiotic.
A number of products on the market contain multiple bacterial strains. KE-99 was intentionally formulated with just one highly effective Lactobacillus casei KE-99 strain. A hardy single strain such as KE-99 has been shown to be much more effective than multiple strains because of its superior ability to attach to enteric sites and establish itself while multi-strains compete with each other and are often merely evacuated. The overall benefits of other strains of intestinal bacteria are well known, but they are meaningless unless they can actually attach to the intended site.
From: http://www.probiohealth.com/ph-ke99.html
The lactobacillus casei sub-species, KE-99, was selected for its superior probiotic qualities. The primary effect of a probiotic is to reduce the likelihood of pathogenic organisms from establishing themselves and infecting the intestinal tract of a host. In order to accomplish this, the beneficial bacterium overwhelm the enteric sites to become the predominant bacterium present, and consume a significant portion of the nutrients which compromise or possibly eliminate the establishment and/or growth of any unwanted bacteria. (Competitive exclusion) In laboratory tests, however, KE-99 has demonstrated the ability to actually remove already established pathogenic bacteria in vitro (example: enterohemorrhagic E. coli 0157:H7). These bacteria often enter the intestinal tract via consumption of contaminated food and/or drink. This remarkable ability to reduce certain forms of pathogenic bacteria in vitro (currently being tested in vivo in swine) is one of the features that sets KE-99 apart as a superior probiotic.
A number of products on the market contain multiple bacterial strains. KE-99 was intentionally formulated with just one highly effective Lactobacillus casei KE-99 strain. A hardy single strain such as KE-99 has been shown to be much more effective than multiple strains because of its superior ability to attach to enteric sites and establish itself while multi-strains compete with each other and are often merely evacuated. The overall benefits of other strains of intestinal bacteria are well known, but they are meaningless unless they can actually attach to the intended site.
From: http://www.probiohealth.com/ph-ke99.html
QUOTE(fitnecise @ Nov 5 2007, 01:22 PM) [snapback]434283[/snapback]
I would not take probiotics with digestive enzymes, there may be interference with adhesion. Probiotics will obviously increase enzyme output anyway.
As for adding other probiotic strains, it shouldn't be a problem but they may compete with each other somewhat. It is difficult to predict net effect with such a diverse system.
As for adding other probiotic strains, it shouldn't be a problem but they may compete with each other somewhat. It is difficult to predict net effect with such a diverse system.
Your answer is kinda what I was thinking would occur, so Im not gonna change a thing.
Thank you for the 'truthiness' in your reply.
QUOTE(fitnecise @ Nov 5 2007, 01:22 PM) [snapback]434283[/snapback]
I would not take probiotics with digestive enzymes, there may be interference with adhesion. Probiotics will obviously increase enzyme output anyway.
As for adding other probiotic strains, it shouldn't be a problem but they may compete with each other somewhat. It is difficult to predict net effect with such a diverse system.
As for adding other probiotic strains, it shouldn't be a problem but they may compete with each other somewhat. It is difficult to predict net effect with such a diverse system.
What about taking them at different times?
QUOTE(asianbabe @ Nov 5 2007, 05:42 PM) [snapback]434337[/snapback]
What about taking them at different times?
That shouldn't be a problem as long as the probiotic is before or well after the meal (same logic with enzyme interference, but endogenous). You could alter every other day or something too, enzymes are likely somewhat recycled by the body.
I wonder how we can make this work with the newfound purpose of the appendix.
QUOTE(fitnecise @ Nov 5 2007, 01:22 PM) [snapback]434283[/snapback]
I would not take probiotics with digestive enzymes, there may be interference with adhesion. Probiotics will obviously increase enzyme output anyway.
Huh?
Not as far as I am aware.
Digestive enzymes help one digest their food. I am not aware of any information that suggests the probiotics affect this.
Evidence??
NB: The best digestive enzymes are broad spectrum plant based e.g.similase. Many people don't notice much difference from other kinds which seem not to work as well.
QUOTE(ScottL @ Nov 8 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]435005[/snapback]
Huh?
Not as far as I am aware.
Digestive enzymes help one digest their food. I am not aware of any information that suggests the probiotics affect this.
Evidence??
NB: The best digestive enzymes are broad spectrum plant based e.g.similase. Many people don't notice much difference from other kinds which seem not to work as well.
Not as far as I am aware.
Digestive enzymes help one digest their food. I am not aware of any information that suggests the probiotics affect this.
Evidence??
NB: The best digestive enzymes are broad spectrum plant based e.g.similase. Many people don't notice much difference from other kinds which seem not to work as well.
Here is one
Again, emphasis on the may in my statement like I said before, it will be infinitely more complex in vivo
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Journal of Food Science
Volume 66 Issue 6 Page 856-859, August 2001
To cite this article: A.C. Ouwehand, S. Tölkkö, S. Salminen (2001)
The Effect of Digestive Enzymes on the Adhesion of Probiotic Bacteria In Vitro
Journal of Food Science 66 (6), 856–859.
doi:10.1111/j.1365-2621.2001.tb15186.x
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Abstract
The Effect of Digestive Enzymes on the Adhesion of Probiotic Bacteria In Vitro
A.C. Ouwehand1, S. Tölkkö1 AND S. Salminen1
1Authors are affiliated with the Dept. of Biochemistry and Food Chemistry, Univ. of Turku, Fin-20014 Turku, Finland.
Direct inquiries to author Ouwehand (E-mail: arthur.ouwehand@utu.fi).
Abstract
ABSTRACT: Specific probiotics have several clinically proven health effects. Adhesion to the intestinal mucosa is considered important for many of these effects. In the current study, the effect of digestive enzymes and bile on the adhesion to intestinal mucus of 5 selected probiotics was studied. All of the digestive enzymes affected the adhesion of at least some of the tested strains. Bile was observed to reduce the adhesion of all strains tested. When the strains were sequentially exposed to 3 enzyme preparations and bile, the level of adhesion was reduced for all strains. The results suggest that the selection criterion "adhesion" for probiotics should be further refined.
Volume 66 Issue 6 Page 856-859, August 2001
To cite this article: A.C. Ouwehand, S. Tölkkö, S. Salminen (2001)
The Effect of Digestive Enzymes on the Adhesion of Probiotic Bacteria In Vitro
Journal of Food Science 66 (6), 856–859.
doi:10.1111/j.1365-2621.2001.tb15186.x
Prev Article
Next Article
Abstract
The Effect of Digestive Enzymes on the Adhesion of Probiotic Bacteria In Vitro
A.C. Ouwehand1, S. Tölkkö1 AND S. Salminen1
1Authors are affiliated with the Dept. of Biochemistry and Food Chemistry, Univ. of Turku, Fin-20014 Turku, Finland.
Direct inquiries to author Ouwehand (E-mail: arthur.ouwehand@utu.fi).
Abstract
ABSTRACT: Specific probiotics have several clinically proven health effects. Adhesion to the intestinal mucosa is considered important for many of these effects. In the current study, the effect of digestive enzymes and bile on the adhesion to intestinal mucus of 5 selected probiotics was studied. All of the digestive enzymes affected the adhesion of at least some of the tested strains. Bile was observed to reduce the adhesion of all strains tested. When the strains were sequentially exposed to 3 enzyme preparations and bile, the level of adhesion was reduced for all strains. The results suggest that the selection criterion "adhesion" for probiotics should be further refined.
edit: or was my funny wording of "increasing enzyme output" the confusing part?
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