Now, I have been around the block when it comes to experimenting with substances - but I have never felt as bad as when going cold turkey on phenibut. After high daily doses for weeks I decided to stop.

Day one was mostly fine, due to the long half-life. Still only slept four hours.
Day two, far worse. Especially in the evening I got crazy anxiety, depersonalizing effects and depression. Did not sleep at all that night.
Day three, seemingly better for the first half of the day, the evening was even worse then on day two. Had three coke and rums to calm down, sleept for three hours.
Day four, first half of the day (at work) is nearly unmanagable. Severly times I feel I am going crazy and am nearly braking down crying. Gets somewhat better later on, but this day is still probably the worst in my life. Two hours sleep.
Day five, noticable better. Some anxiety at work but the depersonalization effect seems to have mostly ceased. In the evening I chill with friends and forget about it all. Three hours of sleep.
Day six (today), right now I feel close to normal (not normal, but close to). Hopefully I will be back to myself soon.

Of course, all of this was my own fault and I was warned. Still, I would never ever imagine a legal supplement could cause such a dreadful state of mind.

Look at alcohol and tobacco w/d. :/

Tobacco I have done - piece of cake compared to this.

Now, I know people (here on M&M as well) have had similar scary episodes. Perhaps not quite as severe, but still. This scared the shit out of me, and I am never taking any phenibut again. (Funny how things can change, huh ).

Out of curiosity, how much and how often?

I'd like to know as well. 3 Grams + Alcohol has made me thrown up in the past so I couldn't imagine someone taking a lot on a regular basis, then stopping, and then having such a hard withdrawal from it.

Don't know exactly how much - no measuring spoon. Alot during the weekends combined with several other substances, varied amounts the rest of the week. Some days nothing, but then again with the ass long half-life that isn't saying much.

Ah well, at least I usually learn from my mistakes. Have to wonder how long this stuff will be legal to sell.

I've seen friends throw up on it, this usually happens if you take it on a (nearly) empty stomach. With a good meal in you you will be fine with even higher doses than that. Well, fine for just that evening that is

With your daily dosing, did you build a tolerance to it? Did it still affect you? I only do pheni occasionally (like yesterday, after my last exam haha) but i've heard after a few days of dosing it doesn't do much.

I dosed a few times, and now I have a permanent tolerance to it.

When withdrawing it might be better to taper off rather than going cold turkey. If you had taken a small maintenance dose the second day, just enough to take the edge off, it might have helped. Or just lower your dose day by day until you are down to nothing.

Agreed.

You need to taper of this drug the same way you would taper off of any other anti-anxiety med (benzos).... and yes I called phenibut a drug.

This a great chemical when used in moderation...

I fell prey to abusing it, and withdraws were horrible...even while tapering properly.

Dont ever use this product more than two days in a row.

-JM

Apples to Oranges.

I'd agree entirely. Even two days in a row might be pushing it. I would recommend everyone to space in 6-7 days between everytime it is being used.

I hope you stay strong, as the days pass, the withdrawals will start to fade.

Legal drug to legal drugs? Gabaergic to gabaergic?

Interestingly enough as bad as heroin/opiate withdrawals are, the only ones with truly fatal risks are alcohol and the benzo's.

Drink lots of water, probably get some candy to chew on, decent-sized doses of vit C & B complex. Good luck, I have been thru withdrawals from several substances several times.

bb

Well, today I feel excellent and I suspect I am pretty much past it. In retrospect though, it was amazing how fucked up I was.

So for anyone dealing with the same, just hold out for another day or two, and you WILL be fine in the end.

I hated phenibut withdrawal. It was crummy as hell.

Same here. No matter how much I take I get absolutely no effect.

No, re-read what that was in reply to.

Stop reading between the lines and just read the lines.

NMDA antagonists such as memantine can be useful adjuncts in withdrawal

That was actually what I meant. (plus the notion that both have bad sides from sudden withdrawal and are still legal.) I should of been more explicit, though. And I do acknowledge that it's much easier to get the withdrawal symptoms from phenibut than it is from alcohol and nicotine.

Chemists get the coolest drugs.

Anyone can get Memantine a 4 week supply for 40 bucks, perfect amount for dropping most drugs (studies on coke and opiods are promising haven´t seen
gabaergics but most likely works.) excess glutamate ain´t pretty. If you can´t get it I suggest NAC (also regulates glutamate).

dextromethorphan works as an NMDA antagonist and is readily available. Memantine is preferable, but we don't always get what we want.

bump, thanks Rodzilla.

I've had similar effects to what you had in day two and five.