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Sir Savage
Hey y'all,

Our recent launch of Avant Research was a great success, thanks to our great customer base (thanks to everyone) and our very solid initial product mix of Napalm, SyntheSIZE, and SuperCarb. However, we're now at kind of a crossroad and undecided about which way to go first. So, we'd like to get some public feedback from each and every one of YOU.

Basically, the question is this- would you rather see us make more mass-building products or more fat loss products next? We need YOUR help to decide.

Take a look at our future products section here-

http://avantresearch.com/products/future

and vote in the poll to let us know. (On a side note, not all of our future products are listed there, only some)

And feel free to add your thoughts as to why you voted the way you did.

We'll take this feedback and integrate into our evaluation process about which way to go first- more mass products or more fat loss products.

Now understand that no matter which way we go first, we WILL make the other products eventually. This is not a "one-or-the-other" decision, just a "which-way-to-go-FIRST" decision.

Holla' atcha' boyz. More mass products first, or more fat loss products first?

Another way to think of this is, which Performance Pyramid would you like to see unleashed first- the Mass Performance Pyramid or the Fat Loss Performance Pyramid?
Sir Savage
Feel free to share your thoughts as to why you voted the way you did...
noswttea4u
I voted fatloss particularly for the re-release of HEAT, but also for Codename Shockwave.
Kimbo
I voted fat loss products. Why? Because I'm fat. wink.gif

Please, for the love of all that is holy, start making FED and FED Lite.
IronFist
We need a supplemental source for the extracts of Banisteriopsis caapi, Peganum harmala, and Sida cordifolia. These would be great additions for fat loss + mood support.
rippedforce63
honestly I would go the fat loss route first, reason being it seems anyone wanting to put mass on these days tends to go with the hormonal route and I don't think you guys will be going down that road again.
dashforce
Mass. Anybody can go to Wally world for some primatene tabs, or some bulk yohimbine. Or you just eat less and do more cardio.

But it seems to me like natural (non-hormonal) lean mass building is the tough one. There are lots of little ripped guys, but not very many (natural) big ripped ones. And how many guys spend months in the gym without seeing shit for gains? If anyone can come out with a really effective nonhormonal mass builder, I'll put my money on the Avant boys.
nelix
Shockwave.
Re-release sesalean at NP.
A beta-alanine or CM (endurance) product?
B5150
I am going to repeat what was already mentioned above. I would like to see something that supports the development of lean body mass. My age demographic is such that I need to be looking to long term health. I aspire for a lean, muscular and fit physique without the excess weight that we sometimes gain when trying to grow lean body mass. I am an endo and probably reasonably insulin resistant. Maybe along the lines of a very potent repartioning formula that feeds lean body mass without the need for surplus carbs and or calories. Just thinking out loud.
jae23
Mass builders. More LBM=more calorie burning potential=better long-term health benefits. You also look alot better nekid that way if your into that kind of stuff 18_007.gif
Travis
For me without a doubt Mass. I dont care if its lean, water, hormonal, or non-hormonal. More mass is harder to put on that anything. If you cant cut with good cardio and diet then your just being lazy. Plus cutting is for girls. biggrin.gif
Grassroots082
QUOTE(dashforce @ Dec 17 2007, 04:15 PM) [snapback]443083[/snapback]
Mass. Anybody can go to Wally world for some primatene tabs, or some bulk yohimbine. Or you just eat less and do more cardio.

But it seems to me like natural (non-hormonal) lean mass building is the tough one. There are lots of little ripped guys, but not very many (natural) big ripped ones. And how many guys spend months in the gym without seeing shit for gains? If anyone can come out with a really effective nonhormonal mass builder, I'll put my money on the Avant boys.


What he said.
oyster
Mass. for the reasons stated above.
methodice
Well I am interested in the fat loss overall. New HEAT and Shockwave sound good. The FED/FED lite would seem to kill the fat loss and lean mass with one stone?
Pup0182
I just want to see FED come out dammit...its been how many years!
Colin
QUOTE(Kimbo @ Dec 17 2007, 11:36 AM) [snapback]443057[/snapback]
I voted fat loss products. Why? Because I'm fat. wink.gif

Please, for the love of all that is holy, start making FED and FED Lite.


What he said.
GhostfaceKillah
Lean mass / nutrient partitioning, reason being it seems anyone wanting to lose fat these days tends to go with the methamphetamine route and I don't think you guys will be going down that road again...

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Lost Metal
QUOTE(GhostfaceKillah @ Dec 18 2007, 08:31 PM) [snapback]443512[/snapback]
Lean mass / nutrient partitioning, reason being it seems anyone wanting to lose fat these days tends to go with the methamphetamine route and I don't think you guys will be going down that road again...

ph34r.gif


I voted fat loss because I am naturally muscular/put on muscle easy, but I gain shit-tons of fat like there is no tomorrow whenever I get off a healthy diet.

It would be great if you guys came out with some kind of fat-burner that also increases testosterone production and reduces estrogen... and doesn't mess with my libido/sexual performance like ephedra does.

That is asking for a lot though.
Kimbo
How about a supplement for strength? Something purely for increasing power output or improving limit strength. I have seen very few supplements produced that address this, and I think it would be popular amongst athletes.
Heavy_Lifter85
QUOTE(Kimbo @ Dec 20 2007, 04:21 PM) [snapback]443832[/snapback]
How about a supplement for strength? Something purely for increasing power output or improving limit strength. I have seen very few supplements produced that address this, and I think it would be popular amongst athletes.


I second that request. Powerlifting crowd would love the stuff.
rpen22
So far, it looks like the mass option is getting the most votes at the other forums. That doesn't really surprise me, though.
Bachovas
QUOTE(Kimbo @ Dec 20 2007, 02:21 PM) [snapback]443832[/snapback]
How about a supplement for strength? Something purely for increasing power output or improving limit strength. I have seen very few supplements produced that address this, and I think it would be popular amongst athletes.


Yeah...something hardcore that temporarily helps you recruit more muscle fibers or activate more of your CNS. I'd dig that for the occasional use.
tlow4u
Fat loss. It is much easier for me to gain strength/mass than it is to lose fat.

Any thing to improve recovery (especially CNS) would be fantastic as would recomp products.

Sir Savage
QUOTE(rpen22 @ Dec 20 2007, 06:53 PM) [snapback]443879[/snapback]
So far, it looks like the mass option is getting the most votes at the other forums. That doesn't really surprise me, though.


Yeah, definitely not surprised with that for bb.com and AM.com, but here, it is a little surprising.

I guess it's because a lot of people know that if we do a mass product, it's gonna' be big tyme, like the One+ days.
Benson
QUOTE(Sir Savage @ Dec 22 2007, 04:19 PM) [snapback]444160[/snapback]
I guess it's because a lot of people know that if we do a mass product, it's gonna' be big tyme, like the One+ days.


If you can produce something that's legal and works as well as ONE+ I'll drive my butt to Oklahoma to pick some up.
Redsky
Lean Mass, please.

I'll certainly be taking the synthesize + glucosamine route to the hilt until I see something different. biggrin.gif
Jay Black
QUOTE(Benson @ Dec 22 2007, 05:40 PM) [snapback]444165[/snapback]
If you can produce something that's legal and works as well as ONE+ I'll drive my butt to Oklahoma to pick some up.

Roger that!

But I think Kimbo brought up a great point...a strength/power supplement.
undecipherable
I'm already thin but I vote fat loss anyway.

Would SURE like to lose fat and NOT anything else.
undecipherable
*Reviews Other's Suggestion* Can you make a non-hormonal supplement that will make me freakishly strong like Anavar?
Pound4Pound
I vote for mass as there are plenty of fat-burners.
ozzman
+1 on the strength
Marc McDougal
Aye, a strength supp that doesn't fuck with AMPK would be nice...
Jakeshorts
QUOTE (Marc McDougal @ Mar 27 2008, 10:31 PM) *
Aye, a strength supp that doesn't fuck with AMPK would be nice...



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