CustomNW
Jan 16 2008, 12:34 PM
Any interest?
Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna) has been used by South African pastoralists and hunter-gatherers as a mood-altering substance since prehistoric times. The earliest written records of the use of the Kanna plant date back to 1662. Sceletium was an item of barter in the time of Jan van Riebeck, and there is documentation of trade from the Castle in Cape Town, South Africa. The traditionally prepared dried sceletium was often chewed as a quid after fermenting it, but it has also been made into teas and tinctures. Less commonly, it has been reported that Sceletium tortuosum used to be inhaled as a snuff, or smoked with the addition of other herbs.
Kanna elevates mood and decreases anxiety, stress and tension, and it has also been used as an appetite suppressant by shepherds walking long distances in arid areas. In intoxicating doses it can cause euphoria, initially with stimulation and later with sedation. Long-term use in the local context followed by abstinence has not been reported to result in a withdrawal state. The plant is not hallucinogenic, and no severe adverse effects have ever been documented.
Historically Sceletium tortuosum was eaten/chewed, smoked or used as snuff producing euphoria and alertness which gently fade into relaxation. If chewed in sufficient quantity Sceletium has a mild anesthetic effect in the mouth, much like kava, and is used by the San tribes if you are about to have a tooth extracted, or in minute doses, for children with colic. A tea made from Sceletium (Kanna) is sometimes used to wean alcoholics off alcohol.
Thunberg, during his 1773 expedition reported: "The Hottentots come far and near to fetch this shrub with the root, leaves and all, which they beat together, and afterwards twist them up like pig-tail tobacco; after which they let the mass ferment and keep it by them for chewing, especially when they are thirsty. If chewed after fermentation, it intoxicates." Laidler in 1928 noted that Sceletium Tortuosum was "chewed and retained in the mouth for a while, when their spirits would rise, eyes brighten and faces take on a jovial air, and they would commence to dance. But if indulged in to excess, it robbed them of their senses and they became intoxicated.
Colin
Jan 16 2008, 06:14 PM
Hell yes.
quigs
Jan 22 2008, 03:37 PM
QUOTE(CustomNW @ Jan 16 2008, 09:34 AM) [snapback]449059[/snapback]
Any interest?
Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna) has been used by South African pastoralists and hunter-gatherers as a mood-altering substance since prehistoric times. The earliest written records of the use of the Kanna plant date back to 1662. Sceletium was an item of barter in the time of Jan van Riebeck, and there is documentation of trade from the Castle in Cape Town, South Africa. The traditionally prepared dried sceletium was often chewed as a quid after fermenting it, but it has also been made into teas and tinctures. Less commonly, it has been reported that Sceletium tortuosum used to be inhaled as a snuff, or smoked with the addition of other herbs.
Kanna elevates mood and decreases anxiety, stress and tension, and it has also been used as an appetite suppressant by shepherds walking long distances in arid areas. In intoxicating doses it can cause euphoria, initially with stimulation and later with sedation. Long-term use in the local context followed by abstinence has not been reported to result in a withdrawal state. The plant is not hallucinogenic, and no severe adverse effects have ever been documented.
Historically Sceletium tortuosum was eaten/chewed, smoked or used as snuff producing euphoria and alertness which gently fade into relaxation. If chewed in sufficient quantity Sceletium has a mild anesthetic effect in the mouth, much like kava, and is used by the San tribes if you are about to have a tooth extracted, or in minute doses, for children with colic. A tea made from Sceletium (Kanna) is sometimes used to wean alcoholics off alcohol.
Thunberg, during his 1773 expedition reported: "The Hottentots come far and near to fetch this shrub with the root, leaves and all, which they beat together, and afterwards twist them up like pig-tail tobacco; after which they let the mass ferment and keep it by them for chewing, especially when they are thirsty. If chewed after fermentation, it intoxicates." Laidler in 1928 noted that Sceletium Tortuosum was "chewed and retained in the mouth for a while, when their spirits would rise, eyes brighten and faces take on a jovial air, and they would commence to dance. But if indulged in to excess, it robbed them of their senses and they became intoxicated.
I just ordered some from another site (not 95% though) and would definitely be happy to see this. With the gaining popularity of "bliss shots" I'm sure that you'd have quite a bit of interest in this product.
Jakeshorts
Jan 22 2008, 03:51 PM
which form are we talking? Leaves or roots to chew? An extract suggests powder - to be smoked as snuff or stuck in the mouth as chew? Gel caps to be swallowed? What extract is this 95% OF? If it's the PDE-5 inhibitor seems like there is other wiser choices... can you clarify?
EDIT: I'm very interested regardless.
SteveSliwa
Jan 22 2008, 04:42 PM
Sadly I'm interested.
Marc McDougal
Jan 22 2008, 04:49 PM
QUOTE
Thunberg, during his 1773 expedition reported: "The Hottentots come far and near to fetch this shrub with the root, leaves and all, which they beat together, and afterwards twist them up like pig-tail tobacco; after which they let the mass ferment and keep it by them for chewing, especially when they are thirsty. If chewed after fermentation, it intoxicates." Laidler in 1928 noted that Sceletium Tortuosum was "chewed and retained in the mouth for a while, when their spirits would rise, eyes brighten and faces take on a jovial air, and they would commence to dance. But if indulged in to excess, it robbed them of their senses and they became intoxicated.
If its good enough for the Hottentots, its good enough for me.
CustomNW
Jan 22 2008, 06:12 PM
The hotness. Im getting info from supplier this week.
Jakeshorts
Jan 22 2008, 08:51 PM
I don't know about anyone else but the thought of chewing this shit in a social setting kind of appeals to me. I'm not sure which form I'd prefer to be honest.
liorrh
Jan 23 2008, 01:31 AM
hell yes
Owen70
Jan 23 2008, 02:18 AM
this is in thermolife's zappetite right...
for what its worth zappetite did shit all for me, despite dosages of up to 6 caps at once @ 200lbs bodyweight back in the dizzle
will-power trumps any bloody appetite suppresant
Odium
Jan 24 2008, 12:31 PM
Zappetite did squat for me too, but it definitely made me feel good.
quigs
Jan 24 2008, 08:08 PM
If anyone has tried bliss shots, then you're familiar with the effects of kanna. It is a legitimate alcohol alternative, IMO.
I've used kanna (non-extract) several times, and found it to be quite effective for improving mood. Large doses cause inebriation.
quigs
Jan 24 2008, 08:09 PM
QUOTE(Owen70 @ Jan 22 2008, 11:18 PM) [snapback]450915[/snapback]
this is in thermolife's zappetite right...
for what its worth zappetite did shit all for me, despite dosages of up to 6 caps at once @ 200lbs bodyweight back in the dizzle
will-power trumps any bloody appetite suppresant
I'm guessing that the dosage in zappetite is too low to really get the mood elevating effects of kanna.
SteveSliwa
Jan 25 2008, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(CustomNW @ Jan 22 2008, 05:12 PM) [snapback]450800[/snapback]
The hotness. Im getting info from supplier this week.
Nasal spray form?
CustomNW
Jan 25 2008, 10:13 AM
Powder form
SteveSliwa
Jan 25 2008, 10:24 AM
QUOTE(CustomNW @ Jan 25 2008, 09:13 AM) [snapback]451628[/snapback]
Powder form
Jakeshorts
Jan 25 2008, 10:49 AM
to be swallowed in caps?
Colin
Jan 25 2008, 03:43 PM
Eh,who cares as long as it's available for sale,I say.
Colin
Feb 14 2008, 01:43 PM
Update?
CustomNW
Feb 14 2008, 01:45 PM
Holding on this for a bit due to upcoming new website and other announcements.
SteveSliwa
Mar 7 2008, 12:18 AM
BUMP!
CustomNW
Mar 25 2008, 09:41 PM
Still on my list, very interesting.
Jakeshorts
Mar 26 2008, 09:29 AM
I still think it'd be pretty badass if we could get some kanna in "bandit" style pouches.
Jakeshorts
Mar 26 2008, 09:36 AM
J Ethnopharmacol. 1996 Mar;50(3):119-30.Links
Psychoactive constituents of the genus Sceletium N.E.Br. and other Mesembryanthemaceae: a review.Smith MT, Crouch NR, Gericke N, Hirst M.
Botany Department, University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg, South Africa.
The use by the Khoisan of South Africa of Sceletium plants in psychoactive preparations has often been alluded to in the literature. However, much of it is fragmentary and contradictory. The current review reassembles the historical data recorded over a 300-year period, describes techniques for the preparation and use of "kougoed' from plants of Sceletium and documents the subjective experiences of a number of contemporary users. Apart from chewing the dried product, after "fermentation', there are reports of uses as tinctures for sedation and analgesia, chewing the material directly and smoking the residue after chewing. The symbolic connections of Sceletium with eland antelopes, the "trance animals' par excellence of the San hunter-gatherers is noted. Observations by Paterson (1789) and reports of contemporary users indicate a synergism and potentiation with smoked Cannabis. There is no evidence to support the view that "kougoed' or Sceletium alkaloids are hallucinogenic. The alkaloid distribution in Sceletium and other members of the family Mesembryanthemaceae are considered. Chemical studies have indicated as many as nine alkaloids in Sceletium which fall into three distinct structural categories. Mesembrine, the alkaloid first isolated and named is not the dominant constituent of plants and is weakly narcotic. Evidence is assembled to suggest that traditional and contemporary methods of preparation serve to reduce levels of potentially harmful oxalates, which are found in Sceletium and other Mesembryanthemaceae. It is concluded that there is a need for further pharmacological studies on these alkaloids, based on their narcotic-anxiolytic properties, strong synergism with other psychomimetics, moderate toxicity and anti-cancer activity.
PMID: 8691846 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
CustomNW
Mar 26 2008, 09:39 AM
QUOTE(Jakeshorts @ Mar 26 2008, 10:29 AM) [snapback]468160[/snapback]
I still think it'd be pretty badass if we could get some kanna in "bandit" style pouches.
that would be pretty dope.
Jakeshorts
Apr 1 2008, 01:20 PM
QUOTE (CustomNW @ Mar 25 2008, 10:41 PM)

Still on my list, very interesting.
new news?
CustomNW
Apr 1 2008, 01:51 PM
put in a request for quote on the supplier who quoted me before.
undecipherable
Apr 1 2008, 09:00 PM
QUOTE (Owen70 @ Jan 23 2008, 03:18 AM)

will-power trumps any bloody appetite suppresant
I woke up this morning and decided it was up to me.
BlackFlag
Apr 13 2008, 10:55 AM
any updates?
Mr.Kite
Apr 13 2008, 06:50 PM
I would be sooo down for this. Especially since I'd trust the source more than those shady ethnobotanical websites.
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