i might want to try this if method altough i am not sure if it will fit to me…

one problem I see is, I am working out usually in the morning before work (sometimes during lunch break)

has anyone ever tried if this way? cause it doesn’t seem to be optimal to eat your caloric goal before your work starts and during the morning working hour, this might be pretty harsh on well being etc. during the day

has anyone ever tried this?
like
6 am pre wo meal
9 am pwo
12 lunch
rest of the day fast

thats kind of like intermittent fasting, but with a pre workout meal and your day all switched around.

I wouldn't want to do it, I don't know if sleep plays a roll in IF or what, but either way that does not seem like an optimal feeding pattern, or much fun.

I say nay.

I wouldn't. Unless you sleep after lunch and work nights. Kind of defeats part of the purpose of the pwo meal if you have to work through the day. And I really don't think sleeping on an empty stomach when you haven't eaten for hours would be optimal for quality rest and recovery.

I actually think it could work out well. In the morning you'll be carbed up from the night before, so strength levels should be higher. The workout should also deplete glycogen to a certain extent (more or less depending on how your workout is set up), so fat loss may be better during the day as a result.

i wouldn't want to bulk with it, but I agree with kimbo.

One thing to take into consideration - if your doing Oly lifts like you were working out in the morning HAS to stimulate your appatite. I know it does me when I lift heavy. It may drive you nuts trying to refrain from eating for the rest of the day. Or.. you may be the complete opposite as me and not have a problem. Just a reflection FWIW.

just found martin berkhams post on that topic:

"...for morning workouts, I usually recommend compromising a bit. The way I set this up, is to place a certain % of total calorie intake in an 8 hr feeding window pre-and post WO, and then "taper" calories towards the evening (high protein/low carb) in order to make a transition into the fasted phase (as low carb mimicks the effects from fasting to a certain degree). Thus, the feeding phase will be slightly longer than 8 hrs on workout days, but I consider this a good compromise in order to get proper PWO nutrition. Of course, one could go about this by initiating the fast in the afternoon/evening, but many consider this a bit daunting (and anecdtoally, fasting in the morning/lunch hours seems easier)."

after workout i am never hungry even if i worked out very hard, its the exact opposite, i need to force myself to eat (on the other hand i am always hungry after sex...strange)

i am usually hungry at two times a day, late morning and late evening... afternoon i am usually not hungry at all, and i can stay all day without food... but i want to start working out in the morning for several reason (more time in the evening, more energy, more motivation etc.)

it will work as long as i keep my eating window from 6am to noon... but the evenings will proably be the killer, you're right...

oh by the way, as long as i understand it, its not important that you eat in the evening (seems thats what most people refer to) as far as i understand berkham, you just eat 4-8 hours around your workout and then stop for the rest of the day

I'm pretty sure VC was working out in the mornings on his modified IF routine. You might want to go check out his thread on the subject.

My setup for IF was going to be:

Day 1: Fast during the day (PSMF), 4 hour feeding window at night
Day 2: Workout in the morning (strength + depletion workout), PSMF all day
Repeat

now THAT seems like an IF I'd support.

i read the post from vc, but isnt it more reasonable to eat the main meal pwo? thats at least as berkham has set it up and as most at bodyrec. are doing it?!

The OP was suggesting the refeed would be at lunch, I believe. This setup seems better - more energy for the workout for sure.

Lyle McD also suggested a version that incorporates 6 training sessions a week. I believe it was something like the following:

Day 1: PSMF during the day, PM strength/hypertrophy workout, 4 hour feeding window before bed
Day 2: AM depletion workout, PSMF all day
Day 3: Repeat day 1
Day 4: Repeat day 2
Day 5: Repeat day 1
Day 6: Repeat day 2
Day 7: Isocaloric

High frequency/low volume, obviously.

hmm interesting, could even fit into my weekly schedule, altougth it seems like a very aggressive approach intended to create major weightloss

Yes, it's definitely geared towards accelerated weight loss, thus the depletion days. If you were more interested in strength/size I'd skip the depletion workouts entirely.

i am thinking about a morning setup that fits into my schedule... berkham recommends tappering down the cals in the afternoon... i think the morning template is fine on workout days, but on non workout days its kind of awful to stump yourself full in the morning before a busy day

i was thinking about (lets assume a slight cutting approach at 2200 kcals)

6am pre wo carbs, protein, 300 kcals
9 am pwo shake carbs, protein 800 kcals
12 pm lunch, only carbs from veggies, protien and fats, 800 kcals
after noon protein serving (psmf) 150 kcals
evening protein serving (psmf) 150 kcals

a inbetween thing (well not really if more like some kind of sloppy tkd but at least i could check if that kind of if template could work would be)

6am pre wo carbs, protein, 300 kcals
9 am pwo shake carbs, protein 600 kcals
12 pm lunch, only carbs from veggies, protien and fats, 600 kcals
16 pm snack - protein, fat, some veggies 350 kcals
20 pm snack/dinner - protein, fat, some veggies 350 kcals

that said, just keeping more then 50 % of my cals around the wo, damn it and if was supposed to make things easier