I like safflower oil b/c of the CLA content:I'm sure it's a smaller a amount but if injected I'd think that a decent amount of CLA would make it into the bloodstream.

Alternately one could use CLA(very close to pure):

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/vpx-spo...fat-240-cc.html

Given CLA's role in mammory tissue (gyno) cell death,this seems worth the money;not that I'd drop CLA orally but rather both would be used.

Masteron is the compound in question but I'm throwing out the idea that this (or either safflower/sesamin oil) could be used as a base in lieu of alcohol for virtually any lipopholic AAS.

As I see it,CLA would be best as an oil base for AAS with the intention of a gyno reduction cycle and sesamin would be sweet as an oil base for other AAS cycles for its myriad of health benefits.

Discuss.....

I'm assuming you'd be getting a pharm grade oil and not just the stuff off NP...

I've got pharm grade safflower oil lined up but I've no source yet for pharm grade CLA (doubt one exists actually) or pharm grade sesamin.(also doubt this exists)

Highly refined flax seed oil is also another idea as an injectible base but IDK if pharm grade flax seed oil can be obtained.

A whatman filter could always be used for the suspensions.

At the very least,CLA (Thinfat),sesamin (bulk by Scivation) or a top shelf flax seed oil could be money as oil suspensions for orals.

Basically,what I'm after is how much of the CLA,flax or sesamin (assuming it is physically possible to inject these oils)would have an effect,when injected as opposed to taken orally?

I'm thinking that masteron in a CLA suspension injected right into the pecs/mammory glands (or fat surrounding the pecs) would be money.

Had some test-e home brewed in extra-virgin olive oil once. There were no benefits vs. sesame oil except for the pleasing smell. those were the days...

Colin, considering the time and money you spend on "gyno-reduction" why not get the surgery ?

This is a post from you from 2002 - seriously it´d time to wake up and smell the coffee,
Not being an asshole just think it´s about that time :




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I've got some chest fat,amplified by taking finasteride for one year,basically a case of pre-existing gyno(since teen years)made worse by finasteride.I am now cutting from around 15% b/f to 10%b/f and using a pretty comprehensive stack to deal with fat loss and this fucking case of bitch tits.
Been on nolvadex at 40 mg nightly for almost 2 months and I've been supplementing with flax(one tablespoon daily),keto-7 or FL7,muliti,creatine,glutamine,guggolbolic(3 caps daily),usnic acid(1 gram daily,2 weeks on/2 weeks off),lipoderm-y-each morning & night at chest(I also added 8 grams of usnic acid into the full bottle of lipo) for the past 2 months.

I just started on thiomucase around noon and prep-h gel before cardio(with saran wrap around my chest to draw out the water).
I lift 5 days per week and do cardio 6-7 days a week,usually first thing in the morning and 30 minutes post lifting or sometime in the evening if it's a non lifting day.

I also picked up some bromo last week but I'm not sure about the dosage fas agyno treatment so if anybody can clue me in or show me a study I'd appreciate it a LOT.I also have some vitex that I picked up a while back but stopped using a couple weeks before the nolva,would it be alright and possibly work in synergy if I took 1500 mg vitex once daily?

Finally at the end of the nolva cycle after taepring down I plan on using 6-oxo at a low dose.I'm also considering aromasin but don't have the slightest idea of where to look for a source,if anybody can point me in the right direction,please hook me up.

I'll be updating this log periodically and will post some before/after pics,hopefully I can deal with this without spending 5K on surgery and locking myself out of the gym for 2 months. "

No offense was taken but my gyno does not consist largely of mammory tissue,it is more along the lines of pubertal induced gyno (pseudogyno).

This essentially is a disproportionate amount of chest fat,mediated by estrogen.

FWIW,that post you grifted from several years back;I was successful in getting rid of my gyno.It required a lot of dieting/exercise,topicals,supps and actually wasn't expensive at all.Considering that i also leaned out to 10% at that time the loss of gyno was only one of the benefits.

However,it returned when I raised calories-mostly from a lack of a transition into a straight bulk.

I have no reason to believe that my current upcoming cycle will not be successful in mammory cell apotosis so when my b/f does get higher I will not have the disproportionate chest fat/gyno appearance.

I'd be lucky to get surgery for 5K and I'd be laid up for a month on top of that.

Unless you're going to inject the CLA synthrol-style in your pecs, this would seem like a long shot.

Well I assume a good surgeon would both remove the gland and lipo the surrounding area ?
Would seem like a permanent solution to both problems.

I had lipo on my lower abs when at 8 % BF, results was/is amazing and I was back in the gym after 4 weeks.

Plus you get nice painkillers for the recovery

I'm speechless.... I'm without speech...

ON a surgery note that no one seems to be comprehending - no one who hasn't been through surgery looks forward to doing so. Being put under or under heavy anesthetics, having my nipples cut the fuck off or partly and then my breast tissue ripped out like my grandma having a lumpectomy DOES NOT appeal to me (and I'm sure not to Colin). Not to mention the following recovery and bs of being in the hospital, paying the BILLS for such an operation and medication, complications that COULD happen, and the chance of disfigurement to top it all off.

No one is getting fucking surgery. If we wanted to do it Hilton style we wouldn't be talking about it on a scientific forum. So what I'm REALLY trying to say is - fuck off with the surgery talk. No one is gonna do it.

EDIT: that rant had literally nothing to do with you avant - sorry if it seems like it did. No offense was meant towards you specifically.

Sesamin is a lignan, not a fat. You could mix it into a fat or something else, but you wouldn't use it all by itself.

Lecithin injected into the tissue (i.e mesotherapy) could induce apoptosis in the mammary tissue.

This is what I was thinking of doing,actually,along with the AAS powder.

I've sourced 80% CLA (95% is available from the same supplier,I didn't enquire rate but it's gotta be cheap) at a ridiculously cheap price,googling led me to chemfindit.co.uk for sourcing legalpowders/oils.I'm amazed at how cheaply shit can be had,such as a a kilo of amagatine sulfate for $400 shipped,all with COA's.

http://www.chemicalregister.com/

Type in what you want and suppliers email you qoutes,I love this shit.

I'll be going in for a buy on amagitine and CLA,if any one is interested in splitting an order with me,post away.

http://www.innobio.cn/5.asp?id=23&clas...+Linoleic+Acids

80% CLA is $11.50 per kilogram here with a 25kg minimum order,but in the very same email the rep stated he may be able to work something out WRT lesser quantities.COA was offered.

$11.50 a fucking KILOGRAM

I haven't posted an inquiry/qoute request as to the legendary mix of the ideal isomer CLA content is available yet,there are three vendors offering CLA so there is a good chance.





Ah,I had glazed over sesamin being a lignan,my mistake.I wasn't aware lecithin could kill man tit tissue,Pubmedding is in order.

Just a theory I had posed in the IC. Lecithin is used to kill off adipocytes via injection in mesotherapy, but apparently it will kill off any cells you inject it into. So, I figure it should work if you were to inject it into mammary tissue.

What's your timeframe on this order?

Colin, is this Tonalin CLA? Or if not, do you know what isomers it consists of?

I'm trying to juggle purchases of RU58841,CLA,ralox and 1-3 more chems,epi powder -IOW abunch of shit all,so the amagatine will be taking second shelf status.

I should have the extra money ready for amagitine in 2-3 weeks.

They have several different varieties of CLA listed (Tonalin is just a brand name for marketing purpose) and I don't know if they will manufacture the isomer specific mix.

The qoute I got was for 80% CLA (the very same CLA that is in the Nutracaps that Nutraplanet offers) as I just asked for a qoute on CLA and didn't ask for specific isomers,%'s and such.

That said,I think the odds are looking good on the cash-money CLA isomer variety but I couldn't remember what the ideal isomer content was so I didn't put it into my request.

Edit:
To get started on CLA...
http://www.chemicalregister.com/find/Find....mp;x=6&y=10

Stay away from Shanghai Hualian: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/world/as...amp;oref=slogin

If you end up with a bunch of extra CLA, I will buy a few kg at the order price plus something for your troubles.

Sounds good,thanks for the heads up.

Whatever company I go with will have a COA and will be reputable via chemicalregister.com standing.

Yeah, I know that Tonalin is a brand name. The reason I asked if it was Tonalin CLA is because Tonalin CLA has the right isomers (or so they say). Having the right isomers in it is probably pretty important if you want the effect you're looking for.

Par has confirmed that Tonalin CLA is a mix of the standard CLA isomers.From the last study Jake posted it seems like just a liberal dosage of mixed isomer CLA would work,as far as gyno treatment.

I'm using Tonalin CLA now at 20 caps or so per day,I'd bump it up higher but that would require lowering epa/dha intake as IIRC,taking both at the same time is self defeating.

Given how many supplier of CLA there are on chemicalregister I think that there would be some that offer the isomer specific CLA (ideal for fat loss as well as mammory gland death) and I'll definitely look into that when I have the extra money in a couple weeks.