The UNIVERSE itself is INTELLIGENT.

Learning is a process of the universe. The universe has OSCILLATED trillions and trillions of times(according to the Oscillating-Universe Model), each time LEARNING.

All of the variables of the universe, including the Electromagnetic force, the Strong and Weak nuclear forces, and Gravity, ALL HAVE PREICSE VALUES. If you alter these values by the TINIEST FRACTION IMAGINABLE, the universe AS WE KNOW IT ceases to exist.

These PRECISE VALUES are no ACCIDENT. The universe has LEARNED how to create a stable universe, not only capable of carbon-based life, but of INTELLIGENCE ITSELF.

Intelligence is an EMERGENT PROPERTY of chaos.

Chaos and Complexity theory(and systems theory) is mathematically correct. It is a DESCRIPTION for HOW INTELLIGENCE emerges. The WORD "chaos" is very MISLEADING. This is only HALF of the story...

Design is not accurate either. The UNIVERSE ITSELF is still a WORK in progress...

Just some thoughts....



-Ross
Owner & President of Supreme Sports Enhancements

If I alter anything it ceases to exist as the pre-alteration subject.

They are precise values, how they got there is a matter of interest to us all, but don't HAVE to be the values they are.




If the universe 'learned' these values, then presumably they were different in years past? If that's the case, then for something like the strong-nuclear force, matter would have not existed in years past? (which kinda goes against the accepted grain)



You'll have to dig up some less questionable evidence sorry.

The universe has oscilated and collapsed TRILLIONS of times, each time producing a universe that was NOT STABLE ENOUGH to continue it's own EXISTENCE...

The VALUES of the UNIVERSE CONTINUE TO CHANGE.

THIS UNIVERSE that we currently inhabit is either:

1.) An OPEN Universe in which it will continue to expand FOREVER at this rate.
2.) A CLOSED Unievsre in which the amount of "dark matter" in the universe overwhelms gravity, causing it to COLLAPSE.

The HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE IS FILLED WITH COLLAPSES. HOWEVER, each time the universe LEARNS PRCEISELY what VALUES are necessary to create a UNIVERSE STABLE for LIFE and INTELLIGENCE. THIS could be the ONE...or, this universe may collapse as well..

Are you YELLING? OR do you just LIKE CAPS?

Edit: HAVEN'T YOU SEEN MY MOVIES? JUICE?? DEEP BLUE SEA?

You can't prove the universe collapses until it collapses (or have a bit more solid theory behind your position).



I'm not going to even bother with this rubbish psuedo-science, give us more substance (eg. proof of change in constants/oscillation-entails-change)

ditto, making statements in all caps means fuck-all. Post some substance to your hypothesis. It's a great subject, but your not sticking the landing. This isn't how you'd present supplements on this board is it?

LOL!

The BIG BANG!! You didn't know that the BIG BANG was just ONE of MANY? This is called the "Oscillating Universe".

This is basic classical comsology my friend, the universe is expanding, and it may collapse AGAIN, like it has an INFINITE NUMBER OF TIMES before...

You see, It has taken ALMOST INFINITE* for the UNIVERSE to exist--to create life and INTELLIGENCE in a STABLE, OPEN(ever-expanding) universe. It has SO FAR FAILED TO DO SO. WE COULD BE THE ONE...

Each time the universe expanded and collapsed, it LEARNED. It took almost INFINITE, but HERE WE ARE, AGAINST ALL ODDS.

NOTE** I Use CAPS to place EMPHASIS on certain points, I am by no means yelling lol

Quantum mechanics(The Uncertainty Principle) also states that an OBJECT does not EXIST in an actual STATE until it is OBSERVED. Until then, it exists in what quantum physicists refer to as a "Superposition of states". It is the ACTUAL ACT OF CONSCIOUS/INTELLIGENT OBSERVATION that renders the universe INTO EXISTENCE.

Without US, the UNIVERSE ITSELF can nto EXIST.

Finally some fat we can chew on.



The big bain is the moment of creation, everything before which we cannot account for. An exceptional case don't you think?




Are you reffering to the big bang --> big crush --> big bang etc. indefinate cycle theory?

Didn't you previously mention that an eternally expanding universe was an option?




Eternally expanding is not good for life. Eventually energy dissipates & will approach absolute zero.




Who's to say the values were any different in universes before?

Were the forces weaker in previous universes, then they may not have met the requisite for a big crunch.

+ through what mechanism does the universe 'learn' every cycle?

Haha, but I don't get the second part...who/what/movies?

The uncertainty principle is different (ie. we can never accurately observe something's position). What you are refering to is Schrodinger's cat (or a misappropriation of), which says (WRT your question) that the universe either exists, or doesn't exist, & until we can verify one or the other (which we can't when we're dead), it is in both states. The likelihood of the latter option (not existing) happening is just as much as when we are observing the universe however, so I'm not sure how you'd reach the conclusion that "It is the ACTUAL ACT OF CONSCIOUS/INTELLIGENT OBSERVATION that renders the universe INTO EXISTENCE."

The universe LEARNS via Quantum Non-Locality.

It's sort of like cracking a password; you will do so MUSCH FASTER if you are NOT PENALIZED for incorrect guesses. If the UNIVERSE can store information and LEARN, this password cracking process(producing the mathematically sound values of the Universe) becomes infinitely faster.

This is the worst fucking thread since the last worst fucking thread.

Excelsior!

LOL, is it that bad?

You didn't see the last worst fucking thread.

http://www.whoomp.com/m/3061.html

I'm glad there was something behind it. Where is that line from" yes they deserve to die, and i hope they burn in hell"

A Time to Kill

BWHAHAHAH.


why? whats wrong with unprovable hypothesis based on a lack of understanding and a framework of flisms?


you are an emergent property of the universe mind you.

No I'm not yelling, THIS IS JUST HOW I TALK!

-Sam Jackson beer

That's why someone has to enter these values (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) into a computer and press the button every 108 minutes. If they don't, the world will end.


The mathematical proof!


The computer that saves the world. What, you were expecting a distributed network of one million PS3s folding proteins?

i gotta get me some of those mushrooms

Haha, I knew that shit sounded familiar.

Is that the computer from the Matthew Broderick movie "War Games"????

bb

MMMMM the utilization of complex quantum mechanical theorem to prove hypthesis that do not follow. Sounds like college.

No. War Games and global thermonuclear war had nothin' on the destruction that would be unleashed by neglecting this computer.

I'm totally lost now.

Haha, 3 points for Ras.

time for a family guy reference. "Can I buy some pot from you?"