This was delayed a bit due to me not being at home, and then having to find a way to get the package out of my mailbox (long story). Better late than never... Big thanks to Z Supps and Babyblu for allowing me to review this product.



Fogo information:

Pics and measurements will be taken tomorrow or Saturday. Fogo will be applied to my stomach, sides and chest. 12 sprays' worth, 2x ED.

Initial impressions

I used my first application this morning. I opened up the bottle and took a wiff. It's a strong alcohol smell with a faint citrus smell. I couldn't really smell the raspberry ketones. There were a few more solid chunks close to the top of the bottle, so I pushed them back down into the liquid, closed it back up and shook the hell out of it.

Fogo comes in a spray bottle. I tried for a few minutes to get it to spray, but it wasn't working. It's cold outside (below freezing last night), so it's very possible that this caused the Fogo to solidify in the bottle somewhat and it may have clogged up the sprayer. I ended up opening the bottle and dosing out 3mL using an oral syringe.

It dried very, very quickly - I was able to throw a shirt on only after a few minutes after application. Skin feels ever-so-slightly warmer, and I have this strange "tight" feeling where it was applied.

Couple of questions for Babyblu and ZSupps:

- If the sprayer is indeed clogged, is there an easy way to unclog it? Can I just soak it in some alcohol?
- If I can't get the sprayer to work, how many mL of Fogo should I use to equal 12 sprays?
- Targex has to be cycled, so I'm assuming this has to be cycled as well. Is a 5 days on / 2 days off protocol ok?

Thanks Kimbo!!

Sorry just read your 2nd post. I will let Z Supps handle these questions. Yes I would say that with it being left in the box that long in these temps, it might have solidified some of the ingredients or affected the pump.


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Yes is very possible the cold temperature could have caused this, FOGO is filtered twice to make sure there are no undisolved ingredients.
I have tested it before and the spray never clogged, please keep in in room temp I need to take note on that and apply it ot the next batch of labels.

4 sprays approximately 1ml

You can cycle 2 to 4 weeks then take off another 2 or 4 weeks, I would treat one site at a time if that if you what want to accomplish if not just apply it in yout abdomen.

Thank you for taking the time post this.

Does the smell bother you? I find it tolerable and somewhat nice.

Thanks

Z

I agree w/Z Supps, you should stick to one application site like just your stomach or just your love handles or just your your pecs for 2 weeks then rotate to another spot. The warm feeling is probably the vasodilation you are feeling.

bb

Most people have liked the smell compared to Napalm and other TDS products.

Thanks guys. I'll stick to my abs and love handles for 2 weeks, then I'll rotate spots. Would it be ok if I were to use Lipoderm Ultra on areas that I'm not using Fogo on, or would this skew the results?

The smell doesn't bother me at all, but neither does the smell of Napalm. I actually have a bottle of Napalm as well, and I opened them both and took a wiff so that I could compare the two. Fogo smells citrusy and has a bit more of an alcohol-type smell.

Please refrain from using the Lipoderm Ultra because I dont want the systemic effects of it affecting the results.

thanks,

bb

Kimbo

Also can you post a pic and measurements please?

thanks,

bb

No problem, figured as much.

2008-02-15

Tried using the sprayer again, and it works perfectly; my suggestion to anyone who wants to use this stuff is to let it come to room temp before applying if it's been sitting outside in the cold. I'm still playing around with how far away to hold the bottle before spraying. I applied 12 sprays to my mid-section, love handles and chest and rubbed it in with my hands.

I think I'm going to stick to mid section and chest, 12 sprays 2x ED for a month. Nothing on the love handles for now.

Another question... VIPSupps suggested before that I apply Targex about 20 minutes before working out. Do you suggest doing the same with Fogo? Or would it be better to work out, shower and then apply?

Babyblu - my friend will be taking caliper readings for me tonight, and I'll get pics taken tonight as well. Measurements will be up tonight, pics will be up tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks bro, I will ask Z Supps about timing of application re: workouts

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yeah, we all miss VIP he was a good friend. Anyway, yes some like using it prior to exercise and do not worry about "washing it off" when you shower after working just do not take a shower....J/K of course you can take a shower by that time all FOGO would have been absorbed already especially since your pores opened up when exercising. VIP told me doing this would help fight post work out cortisol plus enhance fat burning where applied.

Thanks,

Z

Yeah, makes sense if it's all getting absorbed that quickly. I'll give this a try. I'll pick up some alcohol and cotton balls tonight to help clean my skin off prior to Fogo application - otherwise I would have to shower, apply, work out and then shower again

Kimbo,

Tell your avatar to stop rubbing FOGO on his rod!!

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Wait... that's Fogo? Shit, I thought it was Slick Pleasures... I have to pay more attention...

OK, got my body fat percentage checked. It's a lot better than I thought.

Pec: 3.5
Subscap: 20
Bicep: 4
Tricep: 6
Kidney: 23
Suprailliac: 11.5
Abs: 35
Quad: 8.5
Calf: 5
Body fat: 14.1%

As you can see, I store all of my fat on my mid section. I also carry around a lot of VAT. I'll get pics taken tonight and I'll post them up tomorrow - I'm also going to take a tape measurement of my mid section to track progress there as well.

I also have my readings from back in the summer when I was 12%. It'll be interesting to compare those readings to my readings a month from now after I'm done cutting with Fogo.

No need for that bro, just keep it simple..apply before working out and before going to bed or early evening. May I ask you why do you feel you need to clean the site where you are ging to apply FOGO ™ please?

There is no need really just apply , workout then shower and apply FOGO™ later

Thanks

Z

So...where's the nude pics?

I mean...

Where's the pics? Yeah...the totally heterosexual pics...ummmm, yeah, that's what I meant. Not the ones of us together in the pink dresses...because, uhhh, you know, they don't exist...

Anyway...let's see what this product can do!

Who took your body fat?

Either your suprailiac or your abdomen measurement is wrong, or you're a freak.

3:1 Abd:Supra just isn't something you see...on a human.

Based on the kidney number, I'd guess your suprailiac measurement was taken incorrectly.

agreed
PS abs 35 and triceps 6 is kinda wrong too, how did you measure tricpes?

6 on triceps means you can see striations. you can see my striations starting at 8

Had my neighbor take my readings. I figured he was fairly proficient with calipers as he's been taking readings for a long time. I'll ask him about what y'all said soon. I guess the main thing is whether or not he's reading my abdominal measurement consistently, as that's my biggest one.

Also took a waist measurement yesterday morning... ugh... 43 1/16 inches across the navel, fully relaxed. God I'm carrying a lot of VAT. Hoping the Fogo will help out with this.

ZSupps, the reason I want to clean the area first is that it should help improve penetration by removing oil on the skin, dirt, or whatever else may be there. If you don't think it should matter then I won't worry about cleaning it so much.

Also, just wanted to let you guys know that I got pics taken this morning (front and side), but I need to get them off of my girl's camera and uploaded. As soon as she sends them to me I'll get them up here.

Kimbo, Stop talking, start posting pics... Jeff is having withdrawals...

..........sure it's "Jeff" who's jonesing...admitted JB you want them for those lonely nights

I admit, I love rubbing lipoderm ultra all over my naked body, then getting a big handful of slick pleasures and go at it like a 14 y/o who just discovered daddys playboy stash. sorry kimbo, i have a thing for asians...

Anything that helps penetration is a good thing

*fap*

What kind of calipers was he using? I wouldn't trust these readings.

You can get accurate readings with a cheap Accumeasure, but you have to be good. Something with negative tension like a Lange is harder to screw up.

I'll see what kind he's using. I was honestly surprised at my suprailiac reading too. Maybe when I post my pics up it'll shed some light.

Ok, so after reading this I am not as upset with my BF measures. I also carry the most around my waist/abs...if I could get that in check I would probably be in the 20% range. Waiting patiently for my Meltdown.....

Oh, um, where are the pics??

Pics are coming, still need to get them off of my girl's camera.

2008-02-18

The sprayer seems to be clogging up a little. Instead of a spray it's more like a steady stream, and it's harder to press down than it was before. To be fair, though, I keep it somewhat cold here in the house (~68 degrees), so maybe that's what's causing it. I've got the heat turned up a bit, I'll see if that helps. If not then I'll try soaking the sprayer mechanism in some alcohol to clean it out.

I applied some this morning, sans shower. Maybe this is just in my head, but I swear I can feel it more when I've cleaned the area first, so I'm just going to go ahead and do that, either via shower or alcohol rubdown.

How long will this stuff last at 12 sprays 2x a day?

Alright, here are the pics. All relaxed, no flexing.

EDIT: Eeeeeesh. This is what I get for slacking off for 3+ months.

Interested in seeing this progress as I have some 'trouble spots' that may need some extra attention.

And, based on your pics, your BF seems to be higher than 14%. But, I suppose the measurements are the more important thing in this log.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that I'm higher than 14% too, especially after looking at these pics. I kept thinking that there was no way I only put on 2% since this past summer. My pics and waist measurement will be the most telling variables.

LOL. It's easy as hell to put on a helluva lot more than 2% in a helluva lot less time than that!

Would you say you have low VAT?

No, it's high. My gut's semi-relaxed in those photos. Fully relaxed it sticks out a good bit farther. Even when I have a 4 pack it sticks out quite a bit, although less so.

Left shoulder injury in the past?

I figured you'd notice that. Both shoulders are screwed up, but the right's actually worse than the left. I'm going to get some ART done on the right one when I get a chance.

Your left trap looks pretty hypertonic and its hard to tell without looking at your hands, but your elbow crease appears to be more internally rotated as well. Did you have an acute injury to the right, or just chronic issues? Get that shit fixed! ART is a great idea to get things started.

Shit, am I that predictable? I have this problem...I give people postural evaluations in elevators subconsciously. I can even think back to somebody I met 5 years ago and recall that their left femur was internally rotated etc. But I can't remember my mom's birthday to save my life. I watched Scrubs a few weeks ago and the first thing I saw was Zac Braff's tight right illiopsoas and externally rotated lower leg.

I think they have a medication for that.....

I've had numerous injuries over the years due to martial arts, lifting, stupidity, etc. The latest ones were hurting my hand/forearm throwing a punch while drunk (don't ask), and I hurt my shoulder do 1-arm rows at one point. Still hurts my hand, arm and shoulder when I support a heavy weight overhead using a snatch grip (not so much with a regular grip). I do need to get it fixed - I knew I had issues, but didn't realize how bad they were until I saw these pics.

I've actually pointed out to a few people that they have hyperlordosis.

Vodka? Yeah, I'm taking it.

Kim, I'd be surprised if any of those caliper readings were right comparing them to the pics (those in visibility). Maybe I missed it, did you get circumferences?

I'd get a 2nd test done from somebody else for the sake of evaluating the product accurately.

Some right pec/left trap PNF before your workouts could work wonders, if you know anyone that can do it to you.

Just a waist circumference, which is 43 1/16" fully relaxed across the navel (pics are semi-relaxed or "normal"). I'll try to find someone else who can do them so that I can compare.

I'll hit you up in the IC about the imbalances - don't want this log to go off on a tangent.

2008-02-21

Waist circumference hasn't changed. Had a big dinner last night though (steak and veggies), so could just be undigested food. I'll try to take a reading every morning so I can see how it's progressing.

The sprayer's still giving me trouble. This morning it worked like a champ for the first spray or two, then it stopped working entirely. I'll try cleaning it again. I dosed the rest out using an oral syringe. 3mL from an oral syringe seems like more than you get from 12 sprays, but it might just because the spray allows it to dry faster.

If you are applying FOGO to your mid section and chest why would you expect a change in your waist? FOGO is site-specific, not systemic.

If you want reduction in your waistline, you need to make daily applications for 2 weeks (minimum) to your love handles or stomach area.

bb

I know it's site specific. I also know it's going to take a while to see a big change.

To clarify: when I say "mid section" I'm talking about my stomach. I'll refer to it as my stomach from now on to be more specific. With regard to waist size, I expected it to drop (at least a little) because I've been low carb dieting since the beginning of this log, not necessarily from the Fogo.

Nobody ever had the problem with the spray and have reported nothing but good results.
For those who are privileged enough to get access to outlawmuscle.com please check this link for this one log:

http://www.outlawmuscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46035

I may change the spray tops for treatment pumps, no biggie

Thanks

Z

Yeah, I honestly don't know what the deal is with my sprayer. It's very likely that it's giving me problems because the Fogo was in the cold for a little while. When the sprayer is working on my bottle it works great ... nice even distribution of the product on my skin, and it dries very quickly. So if the sprayers on your other bottles work then I'd just stick with that.

What if you take off the cap and just run it under hot ass water, you know like in the plastic thing that is inside the bottle? Then take a few squirts to clean the water out and replace. Just an idea.

I soaked it in some alcohol and squirted some alcohol through it til it was working properly. Might give the hot water a try too.

Kimbo, you might try running the bottle (with pump screwed tightly on) under some warm water. The problem I think is the unfortunate fact that the bottle sat out for a couple of days in Kimbo's mail box in freezing temps. That could have solidified some of the ingredients into small particles. Therefore warming the FOGO up and then shaking it might take care of it.

Also I would like to say that we double-filter the FOGO to make sure there are no particles. We havent had any other problems with these pump sprays. Thats why I think the problem was being left out in the cold.

Thanks for the log Kimbo!!

bb

Yeah, I wish it hadn't sat out there so long, just took a while to get someone to get it out for me. I have no doubt that the sprayer works just fine under normal conditions. I had thought about running it under hot water, or possibly sitting it in a water bath for a little while. Might try that tonight, but if it doesn't work then I'll just dose it out with the oral syringe.

Thanks Kimbo. Since the pump keeps clogging, thats what makes me think you need to reheat the FOGO a little to re-smooth out the consistency. Try the hot water bath and I bet it will work like a charm!!

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