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liorrh
Where can one get this compound? anyone heard of it available?

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Horm Res. 2007;68 Suppl 5:178-81. Epub 2007 Dec 10.Click here to read Links
Long-acting forms of growth hormone-releasing hormone and growth hormone: effects in normal volunteers and adults with growth hormone deficiency.
Clemmons DR.

School of Medicine, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA. endo@med.unc.edu

BACKGROUND: Growth hormone (GH) replacement therapy in adults and children has found broad acceptance by endocrinologists and patients, but the need for daily injections remains a significant barrier to more widespread use. LONG-ACTING FORMULATIONS: Several approaches have been taken to develop long-acting forms of GH and to extend the half-life of GH-releasing factor. Each of these preparations has been tested in experimental animal models and found to extend the half-life of GH and GH-releasing hormone (GHRH) and to increase mean daily GH levels. Frequent sampling following administration of long-acting GHRH showed that the greatest increases occurred in trough GH levels, which increased 7.8-fold. The extended GH half-life and increased trough levels resulted in increases in insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, which increased 1.4- to 4.1-fold and extended the duration of the IGF-I increase from 7 to 14 days. These increases in GH and IGF-I levels allow these compounds to be administered much less frequently, and several studies have shown that IGF-I levels can be maintained in a therapeutically effective range with much less frequent GH administration. SAFETY: Complications other than those generally associated with GH therapy include nodule formation and lipoatrophy at the injection sites. One long-term study of a long-acting formulation demonstrated that growth could be effectively stimulated in GH-deficient children, but that the peak growth velocity was only about 80% of that seen following daily subcutaneous GH injections. Subcutaneous nodule formation in some patients may have contributed to noncompliance and thus to the difference in growth velocity. CONCLUSIONS: Different types of GH and GHRH formulations have been developed with extended half-lives. In general, these preparations are pharmacokinetically and pharmacodynamically effective, extend GH half-lives with longer sustained elevation of IGF-I and permit much less frequent GH administration. Thus, it may be possible to develop a therapeutically effective form of GH for use in long-term treatment. The precise efficacy and safety assessments to use in monitoring long-term GH administration have not been definitively established. Copyright © 2007 S. Karger AG, Basel.

PMID: 18174751
Heavy_Lifter85
[EDIT: referencing a PM]Ah, I read GHRH and thought GHRP.
babyblu
Its not GHRH they are discussing, just HGH. There is a pegylated HGH available which poeple claim needs only be injected 1x per week. But its exponentially more expensive than regular hgh so not worth it IMO.

bb
Jay Black
I've read a few feedback reports on it, and the results weren't impressive whatsoever. Bump what BB said.
babyblu
Jeff,

The only negative things I have heard are the price. There is some debate about what effect the extended half life of the HGH will have upon the pitutary's natural gh secretion cycle. Most people time their regular hgh injections to minimize any suppression the exogenous gh will have upon the body's natural gh production. Obviously w/the pegHGH you cant do that. Also personally there is the idea that the body doesn't continually secrete gh for a reason; therefore there might be some nasty consequences of CONSTANTLY having that much gh active in your system-- thats just my personal take (I always try to look at homeostasis)

bb
liorrh
QUOTE(babyblu @ Feb 23 2008, 05:34 AM) [snapback]460498[/snapback]
Its not GHRH they are discussing, just HGH. There is a pegylated HGH available which poeple claim needs only be injected 1x per week. But its exponentially more expensive than regular hgh so not worth it IMO.

bb


Read the above more closely

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Frequent sampling following administration of long-acting GHRH showed that the greatest increases occurred in trough GH levels, which increased 7.8-fold. The extended GH half-life and increased trough levels resulted in increases in insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, which increased 1.4- to 4.1-fold and extended the duration of the IGF-I increase from 7 to 14 days
babyblu
Read the following:

"LONG-ACTING FORMULATIONS: Several approaches have been taken to develop long-acting forms of GH...";

"CONCLUSIONS: Different types of GH and GHRH formulations have been developed with extended half-lives. In general, these preparations are pharmacokinetically and pharmacodynamically effective, extend GH half-lives with longer sustained elevation of IGF-I and permit much less frequent GH administration. Thus, it may be possible to develop a therapeutically effective form of GH for use in long-term treatment. The precise efficacy and safety assessments to use in monitoring long-term GH administration have not been definitively established."

I admit there is CJC which is a long-acting GH secretagogue. But CJC is even more econcomically unfeasible than pegHGH. Also as far as I'm aware there are no current therapuetic regimens using ghrp6, hexarelin, CJC or any other gh-secretagogues (aka ghrh). My apologies if I overstated my original position.

bb
Jay Black
QUOTE(babyblu @ Feb 23 2008, 12:30 PM) [snapback]460541[/snapback]
Jeff,

The only negative things I have heard are the price. There is some debate about what effect the extended half life of the HGH will have upon the pitutary's natural gh secretion cycle. Most people time their regular hgh injections to minimize any suppression the exogenous gh will have upon the body's natural gh production. Obviously w/the pegHGH you cant do that. Also personally there is the idea that the body doesn't continually secrete gh for a reason; therefore there might be some nasty consequences of CONSTANTLY having that much gh active in your system-- thats just my personal take (I always try to look at homeostasis)

bb

Oh, I just saw some reviews on SSB (RIP) back in the day, and I don't remember one saying it had any substantial effect.
liorrh
bump
babyblu
Yes Tractor was going to bring it to market but other than him I never really saw anyone over at SSB mention trying this.

bb
Jay Black
Yeah, that's whom I was speaking of.
babyblu
This is widely available in China. But I have never seen a price that made it worth it. I would never pay 2x as much for pegHGH just to avoid a couple of subQ slin pin shots!! smile.gif

bb
Jay Black
Heck no...even regular HGH is already what, $6 per iu?! Ridiculous enough.
babyblu
$6/iu? Maybe for Humatrope or Saizen!!! $1.5/iu tops. And that price is high compared to the good old days.

bb
Jay Black
QUOTE(babyblu @ Feb 25 2008, 06:07 PM) [snapback]461038[/snapback]
$6/iu? Maybe for Humatrope or Saizen!!! $1.5/iu tops. And that price is high compared to the good old days.

bb

Wish I knew your guys...
liorrh
QUOTE(babyblu @ Feb 25 2008, 04:07 PM) [snapback]461038[/snapback]
$6/iu? Maybe for Humatrope or Saizen!!! $1.5/iu tops. And that price is high compared to the good old days.

bb

agreed

BUT I bumped this for peg-GHRH or the like
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