Primordial Performance
Mar 3 2008, 01:54 PM
M&M Members,
We are proud to announce the release of our latest product –
EndoAmp.

EndoAmp is a natural phospholipid complex, designed to amplify testosterone production and muscle growth by reducing the stress hormone cortisol. EndoAmp is a brown “nutty” tasting powd*er which can be taken by itself, or mixed with your favorite protein shake.

The main ingredient in EndoAmp that accomplishes this is Phosphatidylserine (PS). PS is a natural phospholipid which helps reduce the stress hormone cortisol. By suppressing cortisol, EndoAmp can “amplify” testosterone production by increasing the testes sensitivity to LH and FSH stimulation. This makes EndoAmp the perfect supplement to include with other testosterone boosting supplements, such as Sustain Alpha.
EndoAmp can also enhance muscle growth by suppressing cortisol. By reducing the catabolic breakdown of muscle tissue, you can enhance the anabolic response and thus increase lean muscle mass. For more info, and full references, please visit the EndoAmp product info page -
http://www.primordialperformance.com/endo_amp.cfmA month’s supply of 800mg/day of PS is only $47.99 – This makes EndoAmp one of the most affordable ways to supplement with PS compared to other capsule or pill based products.
Remember, with the coupon code “SPONSOR10” you can save 10% off your order. Plus if you order over $100 you get FREE 2-3 day shipping! (within the US only)
-Pp
Kimbo
Mar 3 2008, 02:50 PM
Is the PS soy based?
Primordial Performance
Mar 3 2008, 03:52 PM
QUOTE(Kimbo @ Mar 3 2008, 11:50 AM) [snapback]463108[/snapback]
Is the PS soy based?
Yes, and the studies we referrence are soy based too.
-Pp
methodice
Mar 3 2008, 07:31 PM
Mmm I have been waiting for this one. Thanks Pri Perf. Butter flavoured endoamp and maple flavoured phyto test. Can you please organise some carb free waffles.
I love how you package it too. Reminds me of when I used to shine my shoes at school.
JBarna
Mar 3 2008, 07:35 PM
Any reports of fatloss with this product? Just wondering if the decrease in cortisol aides in lipolysis.
Primordial Performance
Mar 3 2008, 08:08 PM
QUOTE(JBarna @ Mar 3 2008, 04:35 PM) [snapback]463213[/snapback]
Any reports of fatloss with this product? Just wondering if the decrease in cortisol aides in lipolysis.
Yes, naturally it should help with fat loss by reducing cortisol, even though I haven’t seen any research to support that PS will reduce bodyfat.
-Pp
Rodzilla
Mar 3 2008, 08:47 PM
this is becoming my routine question..is it allowed in Natty orgs?
Quinc
Mar 3 2008, 09:22 PM
QUOTE(Rodzilla @ Mar 3 2008, 08:47 PM) [snapback]463242[/snapback]
this is becoming my routine question..is it allowed in Natty orgs?
I think the natty org has to know it exists first before they can ban it =P
Kimbo
Mar 3 2008, 09:24 PM
QUOTE(methodice @ Mar 3 2008, 07:31 PM) [snapback]463211[/snapback]
I love how you package it too. Reminds me of when I used to shine my shoes at school.
I agree on the packaging. Looks really sharp.
Rodzilla
Mar 3 2008, 11:20 PM
A recent study with golfers showed that six week supplementation with only 200mg/day of PS significantly improved “ball flight during tee off which might result in improved golf scores”. Apparently the PS is able to reduce the stress levels during teeing-off, thus resulting in improved focus, and better performance. (27)
so....???
aside from that, the write up looks awesome. I am pretty interested in trying this as a stand alone.
Primordial Performance
Mar 3 2008, 11:30 PM
QUOTE(Rodzilla @ Mar 3 2008, 05:47 PM) [snapback]463242[/snapback]
this is becoming my routine question..is it allowed in Natty orgs?
I don’t even think it would be possible to test for PS “abuse” even if it was banned...
Anyway, PS shouldn’t be banned by any natural organization.
Thanks guys.
-Pp
Rodzilla
Mar 3 2008, 11:37 PM
QUOTE(Primordial Performance @ Mar 3 2008, 11:30 PM) [snapback]463313[/snapback]
I don’t even think it would be possible to test for PS “abuse” even if it was banned...
Anyway, PS shouldn’t be banned by any natural organization.
Thanks guys.
-Pp
Yeah, upon further review that was a silly question, I just decided to ask due to the nature of some of your other products. Will any other retailers be selling this in the near future?
Primordial Performance
Mar 4 2008, 12:03 AM
QUOTE(Rodzilla @ Mar 3 2008, 08:37 PM) [snapback]463316[/snapback]
Yeah, upon further review that was a silly question, I just decided to ask due to the nature of some of your other products. Will any other retailers be selling this in the near future?
Our mark up is minimal… not much room for other retailers… so probably not.
-Pp
Rodzilla
Mar 4 2008, 05:05 PM
question, is there any feedback on running this product by itself?
Primordial Performance
Mar 4 2008, 05:08 PM
QUOTE(Rodzilla @ Mar 4 2008, 02:05 PM) [snapback]463527[/snapback]
question, is there any feedback on running this product by itself?
Im sure you will find some feedback on guys running higher doses of PS (like 800-1000mg)… and you will probably here something along the lines of “increased recovery”, “less fatigue”, “improved well being” ect.
-Pp
Kimbo
Mar 4 2008, 05:28 PM
Would love to give this a try. I'll probably pick some up after I'm done logging Fogo. I could definitely use the increased recovery.
Travis
Mar 4 2008, 06:40 PM
Looks like great stuff sir!
Sub7
Mar 5 2008, 12:31 PM
Hmmm....
Wouldn't 11-OXO (by Ergopharm) be a better alternative? Just as affordable and 11-OXO has tissue specific effects.
Also, PP, can you provide any reference/explanation about the testosterone boosting effects of cortisol-control supplements? I have read very detailed discussions about the pros and cons of cortisol control protocols and never recall increased T production even being discussed (thuogh I am a careless reader and it may have escaped my attention)
Thanks much
Sub7
Primordial Performance
Mar 5 2008, 02:05 PM
QUOTE(Sub7 @ Mar 5 2008, 09:31 AM) [snapback]463711[/snapback]
Hmmm....
Wouldn't 11-OXO (by Ergopharm) be a better alternative? Just as affordable and 11-OXO has tissue specific effects.
Also, PP, can you provide any reference/explanation about the testosterone boosting effects of cortisol-control supplements? I have read very detailed discussions about the pros and cons of cortisol control protocols and never recall increased T production even being discussed (thuogh I am a careless reader and it may have escaped my attention)
Thanks much
Sub7
With any prohormone or prosteroid based anti-cortisol supplement such as 7-oxo or 11-oxo you risk interference with the HPTA and possible testosterone reduction. (just read the studies on topical 7-keto)
Phosphatidylserine is totally non-hormonal. It blocks cortisol release by reducing CRH and ACTH. It’s a much better choice for modulating cortisol.
As far as the testosterone boost from cortisol reduction, it’s quite simple. When cortisol goes up, testosterone goes down and vise versa. Cortisol breaks down the leydig cells, so if you can prevent this catabolic breakdown, then you can increase the testes sensitivity to LH, and thus testosterone secretion. PS also has some intricate benefits for increasing steroid-to-enzyme association and increasing 3b HSD in testes. All these reffs are in the
write up-Pp
Primordial Performance
Mar 5 2008, 02:37 PM
Here is one abstract -
11. HORMONAL EFFECTS OF PHOSPHATIDYLSERINE DURING 2-WKS OF INTENSE WEIGHT TRAINING
[Annual Meeting Abstracts]
Fahey, T. D.; Pearl, M.
California State University, Chico
A double-blind, crossover design study, measured the effects of 800 mg/d soybean derived phosphatidylserine (PS) or placebo © during 2-wk intense weight training on cortisol (CT), adrenocorticotropin hormone (ACTH), testosterone (TS), luteinizing hormone (LH), well-being (WB), and muscle soreness (MS) in 11 trained males. Subjects did 5 sets of 10 repetitions of 13 exercises, 4 times/wk for 2, 2-wk periods (3-wk recovery). Venous blood was sampled 6 mornings (T1-T6) and 15-min following the 8th work-out (T7). WB and MS were estimated using 10-point scales. CT was the same in PS and C in T1-T6 but decreased between T6 and T7 in PS (15.6 ± 1.7 to 10.0±0.9μg/dL, mean±SEM, P<0.05) but not in C. ACTH did not change in PS in T1-T7 but increased in C between T4 and T5-7 by over 50%. TS increased in PS between T1 (3.3±0.3 ng/mL) and T3 (4.4±0.5 ng/mL) and fell in both treatments between T3 and T7 (3.3±0.3 ng/mL, PS; 3.3±0.4, C). LH increased significantly between T1 (1.5±0.1 mlU/mL) and T6(2.2±0.3 mlU/mL) in PS but did not change in C. WB was greater in P than C in T2-T6. In C, WB at T3 was markedly depressed (4.9±0.8). MS increased in both treatments and was greater in C than PS at T2 (61%) and T5(55%). Cortisol decreased in PS after exercise, possibly by depressing ACTH. PS attenuated the negative effects of intense weight training on perception of well-being and muscle soreness
Sub7
Mar 5 2008, 11:56 PM
Beautifully explained PP; thanks a lot
I just found this a little interesting
"TS increased in PS between T1 (3.3±0.3 ng/mL) and T3 (4.4±0.5 ng/mL) and fell in both treatments between T3 and T7 (3.3±0.3 ng/mL, PS; 3.3±0.4, C). LH increased significantly between T1 (1.5±0.1 mlU/mL) and T6"
Why are they comparing T1 and T3? Why not simply T1 and T6? Not that you would know unless you actually wrote that particular abstract.
Thank you again
Primordial Performance
Mar 6 2008, 01:12 PM
QUOTE(Sub7 @ Mar 5 2008, 08:56 PM) [snapback]463928[/snapback]
Beautifully explained PP; thanks a lot
I just found this a little interesting
"TS increased in PS between T1 (3.3±0.3 ng/mL) and T3 (4.4±0.5 ng/mL) and fell in both treatments between T3 and T7 (3.3±0.3 ng/mL, PS; 3.3±0.4, C). LH increased significantly between T1 (1.5±0.1 mlU/mL) and T6"
Why are they comparing T1 and T3? Why not simply T1 and T6? Not that you would know unless you actually wrote that particular abstract.
Thank you again
They are saying that the T increased the first few days of PS supplementation, but eventualy decreased to baseline after a few days of the intense training.
-Pp
Primordial Performance
Mar 10 2008, 01:48 PM
Rodzilla
Mar 13 2008, 08:09 PM
QUOTE(Primordial Performance @ Mar 10 2008, 01:48 PM) [snapback]464843[/snapback]
Toco 8 + EndoAmp...what do you think?
Tkarrde
Mar 13 2008, 08:17 PM
Cool deal PP--we love the innovation!
SupremeSportsEnhancements
Mar 13 2008, 10:21 PM
Eric is a great PERSON and a true innovator. Nothing but RESPECT for PP!:)
Primordial Performance
Mar 14 2008, 12:05 AM
QUOTE(Rodzilla @ Mar 13 2008, 06:09 PM) [snapback]465615[/snapback]
Toco 8 + EndoAmp...what do you think?
Yep, they are the "balls" of the Testosterone stack. ;-)
Thanks guys!
-Pp
methodice
Mar 14 2008, 02:04 AM
QUOTE(Primordial Performance @ Mar 13 2008, 09:05 PM) [snapback]465656[/snapback]
Yep, they are the "balls" of the Testosterone stack. ;-)
Thanks guys!
-Pp
I get that one. I have looked at that nice picture.
Rodzilla
Mar 15 2008, 12:38 PM
has anybody ran this alone with significant benefit, I looked at your own forum and did not see much there either. Not hating here, I realize it is a new product, I would just like to see some real world results before I shell out 50 bone.
Primordial Performance
Mar 15 2008, 04:23 PM
QUOTE(Rodzilla @ Mar 15 2008, 10:38 AM) [snapback]466025[/snapback]
has anybody ran this alone with significant benefit, I looked at your own forum and did not see much there either. Not hating here, I realize it is a new product, I would just like to see some real world results before I shell out 50 bone.
We have alot of positive feedback on AM and Elite...
-Pp
Rodzilla
Mar 15 2008, 05:15 PM
checking it now, thanks:)
Kimbo
Mar 17 2008, 02:20 PM
Just picked up some EndoAmp, looking forward to giving this a whirl.
Rodzilla
Mar 17 2008, 10:19 PM
QUOTE(Kimbo @ Mar 17 2008, 02:20 PM) [snapback]466301[/snapback]
Just picked up some EndoAmp, looking forward to giving this a whirl.
what are you stacking with?
Kimbo
Mar 18 2008, 09:42 AM
QUOTE(Rodzilla @ Mar 17 2008, 11:19 PM) [snapback]466389[/snapback]
what are you stacking with?
Going to stack it with the following:
DCP 1 cap 5xED
HEAT 3 caps 5xED
GTE 1 cap 5xED
CLA Ethyl Ester - not sure about the dosing on this one yet
Lipoderm Ultra - maybe
This is all part of a (relatively) stimulant-free fat loss stack. Probably will start this in a few weeks.
Rodzilla
Mar 18 2008, 02:44 PM
QUOTE(Kimbo @ Mar 18 2008, 09:42 AM) [snapback]466438[/snapback]
Going to stack it with the following:
DCP 1 cap 5xED
HEAT 3 caps 5xED
GTE 1 cap 5xED
CLA Ethyl Ester - not sure about the dosing on this one yet
Lipoderm Ultra - maybe
This is all part of a (relatively) stimulant-free fat loss stack. Probably will start this in a few weeks.
that looks to be a killer cut stack..if you come across extra endoamp let me know before anyone else
Primordial Performance
Mar 19 2008, 01:08 AM
QUOTE(Kimbo @ Mar 18 2008, 07:42 AM) [snapback]466438[/snapback]
Going to stack it with the following:
DCP 1 cap 5xED
HEAT 3 caps 5xED
GTE 1 cap 5xED
CLA Ethyl Ester - not sure about the dosing on this one yet
Lipoderm Ultra - maybe
This is all part of a (relatively) stimulant-free fat loss stack. Probably will start this in a few weeks.
Yes, nice stack.
-Pp
Primordial Performance
Apr 2 2008, 12:34 PM
Remember, the new code for the 10% off is SPONSOR10, and all orders over $100 get FREE PRIORITY SHIPPING.
-Pp
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