http://cognitivenutrition.com/index.php?ta...;product_id=126
I'll be using this for the next month,given the research on this compound I'm looking forward to this run.
Dosage will be 2 pills per day,taken apart from fatty meals when possible.
As of the last month I've been slacking with both aniracetam and piractam dosing and have been feeling pretty lethargic. I've started back up on them and will note any synergy between the racetams and PPC beyond what I've seen with prior choline supplementation.
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QUOTE(Colin @ Mar 3 2008, 09:58 PM) [snapback]463307[/snapback]
http://cognitivenutrition.com/index.php?ta...;product_id=126
I'll be using this for the next month,given the research on this compound I'm looking forward to this run.
Dosage will be 2 pills per day,taken apart from fatty meals when possible.
As of the last month I've been slacking with both aniracetam and piractam dosing and have been feeling pretty lethargic. I've started back up on them and will note any synergy between the racetams and PPC beyond what I've seen with prior choline supplementation.
I'll be using this for the next month,given the research on this compound I'm looking forward to this run.
Dosage will be 2 pills per day,taken apart from fatty meals when possible.
As of the last month I've been slacking with both aniracetam and piractam dosing and have been feeling pretty lethargic. I've started back up on them and will note any synergy between the racetams and PPC beyond what I've seen with prior choline supplementation.
Nice log.
Cool, I'll be following.
What other choline supps have you tried that you will be able to compare it to?
What other choline supps have you tried that you will be able to compare it to?
QUOTE(Gdawg @ Mar 5 2008, 09:51 AM) [snapback]463715[/snapback]
What other choline supps have you tried that you will be able to compare it to?
I've run the gamut with nootropics and as far as choline sources or related compounds are concerned,I've used the following:
DMAE
centro
Alpha-GPC
choline b.
lecithin (20 grams ED)
Steve supplied me with one bottle of this and I am going to buy a second as an extension to make this a 60 day log,I figure I owe Steve a thorough log for being generous with the handful of complimentary supplements he included along with the PPC.I heart The Stevemeister,in a totally non-ghey way,I should add
Can I get three cheers for Steve-a-rooni?
...enough with the pedantic and thinly veiled latent homosexual undertones,I've digressed....Well,I also think this compound holds a lot of promise not only WRT cognitive enhancement but as a means of favorably effecting body composition.I place its prime value as a highly effective defense against AAS induced liver toxicity.That said,after the first 30 day period is completed,I will be starting off on a 12 week AAS cycle with Masteron/Proviron for 10 weeks with test e during the final 4 weeks.I will have my liver values tested post cycle and will post results in this thread.
QUOTE(Colin @ Mar 5 2008, 05:17 PM) [snapback]463818[/snapback]
I've run the gamut with nootropics and as far as choline sources or related compounds are concerned,I've used the following:
DMAE
centro
Alpha-GPC
choline b.
lecithin (20 grams ED)
Steve supplied me with one bottle of this and I am going to buy a second as an extension to make this a 60 day log,I figure I owe Steve a thorough log for being generous with the handful of complimentary supplements he included along with the PPC.I heart The Stevemeister,in a totally non-ghey way,I should add
Can I get three cheers for Steve-a-rooni?
...enough with the pedantic and thinly veiled latent homosexual undertones,I've digressed....
Well,I also think this compound holds a lot of promise not only WRT cognitive enhancement but as a means of favorably effecting body composition.I place its prime value as a highly effective defense against AAS induced liver toxicity.That said,after the first 30 day period is completed,I will be starting off on a 12 week AAS cycle with Masteron/Proviron for 10 weeks with test e during the final 4 weeks.I will have my liver values tested post cycle and will post results in this thread.
DMAE
centro
Alpha-GPC
choline b.
lecithin (20 grams ED)
Steve supplied me with one bottle of this and I am going to buy a second as an extension to make this a 60 day log,I figure I owe Steve a thorough log for being generous with the handful of complimentary supplements he included along with the PPC.I heart The Stevemeister,in a totally non-ghey way,I should add
Can I get three cheers for Steve-a-rooni?
...enough with the pedantic and thinly veiled latent homosexual undertones,I've digressed....Well,I also think this compound holds a lot of promise not only WRT cognitive enhancement but as a means of favorably effecting body composition.I place its prime value as a highly effective defense against AAS induced liver toxicity.That said,after the first 30 day period is completed,I will be starting off on a 12 week AAS cycle with Masteron/Proviron for 10 weeks with test e during the final 4 weeks.I will have my liver values tested post cycle and will post results in this thread.
Nice comparison. PPC is a far better choline donor for the brain than DMAE, choline, and crappy lecithin. If you need anymore blood test forms let me know!
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(PPC) 35 clinical investigations with 1,968 patients and 3 in 31 volunteers have also given clinical evidence of some positive effects in certain diseases, such as involutional dementias and multiple sclerosis. Improvements of subjective well-being, such as headache, dizziness, memory, concentration, endurance, irritability, insomnia, angina attacks, and walking time have been reported.
As adjuvant in acute and chronic hepatitis; cirrhosis; intoxications; fatty degeneration of the liver of any origin; functional cholestasis; prophylaxis of gallstone formation; radiation syndrome; pre-and postoperative care, especially in liver/gallbladder surgery.
Dyslipoproteinemia (hypercholesterolemia, hypertriglyceridemia, hypoalphalipoproteinemia); atherosclerosis; coronary, cerebral, and peripheral circulatory disturbances; angina pectoris; condition following myocardial infarction, and apoplexy; hypertension due to sclerosis; vascular diseases, especially in diabetes mellitus; nephrotic syndrome; preoperative treatment for the prevention of thromboembolism.
Diabetes associated dyslipidemia that cannot be normalized completely by insulin or oral antidiabetics, particularly hypertriglyceridemia and hypoalpha-lipoproteinemia. Diabetes induced peripheral, coronary and cerebral disturbances of circulation.
As adjuvant in acute and chronic hepatitis; cirrhosis; intoxications; fatty degeneration of the liver of any origin; functional cholestasis; prophylaxis of gallstone formation; radiation syndrome; pre-and postoperative care, especially in liver/gallbladder surgery.
Dyslipoproteinemia (hypercholesterolemia, hypertriglyceridemia, hypoalphalipoproteinemia); atherosclerosis; coronary, cerebral, and peripheral circulatory disturbances; angina pectoris; condition following myocardial infarction, and apoplexy; hypertension due to sclerosis; vascular diseases, especially in diabetes mellitus; nephrotic syndrome; preoperative treatment for the prevention of thromboembolism.
Diabetes associated dyslipidemia that cannot be normalized completely by insulin or oral antidiabetics, particularly hypertriglyceridemia and hypoalpha-lipoproteinemia. Diabetes induced peripheral, coronary and cerebral disturbances of circulation.
test e when finishing a cycle? might want to rethink that
So how do you plan on measuring/reporting the effects? PPC is primarily used for hepatic disorders, so blood work for various liver enzyme markers seem prudent. I highly doubt that the PPC will result in conscious changes of mental state, and doesn't appear to be a "cognitive enhancer," (unless there is some research that needs posting). PC itself generally isn't very effective in treating cognitive impairments, and tends to have little to no effect.
I can concur with dopamine on this, I've been taking 1g jarrow PPC for about 2 months. I can't say I've noticed anything terribly profound, though I don't turn yellow anymore after a night of heavy drinking.
Kidding.
(About the jaundice.)
Kidding.
(About the jaundice.)
QUOTE(SteveSliwa @ Mar 5 2008, 03:36 PM) [snapback]463827[/snapback]
Nice comparison. PPC is a far better choline donor for the brain than DMAE, choline, and crappy lecithin. If you need anymore blood test forms let me know!
Actually,I could use another set of blood test forms,thanks.
QUOTE(Dopamine @ Mar 5 2008, 04:24 PM) [snapback]463852[/snapback]
So how do you plan on measuring/reporting the effects? PPC is primarily used for hepatic disorders, so blood work for various liver enzyme markers seem prudent. I highly doubt that the PPC will result in conscious changes of mental state, and doesn't appear to be a "cognitive enhancer," (unless there is some research that needs posting). PC itself generally isn't very effective in treating cognitive impairments, and tends to have little to no effect.
I will have blood work done as I'm mostly interested in PPC for liver health/protection while using AAS.
When not using the forms of choline I have used in the past,in combination with racetams and ALCAR,I generally felt off.I would be prone to headaches and would feel mentally sluggish despite 2 racetams and ALCAR usage.While using a choline source along with pir,ani and ALCAR such problems would not arise at all.I don't expect PPC to exert cognitive enhacement beyond the level of aniracetam or piracetam as both have proven to have a profound effect on my level of functioning.However,I do expect synergystic benefits between the aforementioned nootropics and PPC.
QUOTE(enemy @ Mar 5 2008, 09:12 PM) [snapback]463898[/snapback]
I can concur with dopamine on this, I've been taking 1g jarrow PPC for about 2 months. I can't say I've noticed anything terribly profound, though I don't turn yellow anymore after a night of heavy drinking.
Kidding.
(About the jaundice.)
Kidding.
(About the jaundice.)
Jarrow's is under dosed.
I thought the point of logging this was to determine if there are any perceived performance enhancement or hypertrophic effects? Is that not what was discussed in the Anabolics forum? And now you're going to be juicing. This is exactly what I was talking about in that original thread. I'm not trying to "dog" you, I think I make a valid point.
QUOTE(Odium @ Mar 7 2008, 12:46 PM) [snapback]464300[/snapback]
I thought the point of logging this was to determine if there are any perceived performance enhancement or hypertrophic effects? Is that not what was discussed in the Anabolics forum? And now you're going to be juicing. This is exactly what I was talking about in that original thread. I'm not trying to "dog" you, I think I make a valid point.
That would be a valid point and I'd agree with you fully if I was logging for the reasons you stated.
However,I'm using PPC to see how it fares as a liver protectant from AAS and I will be having blood work done at the 60 day mark.The secondary reason for the log is gauging its effect as a choline source WRT nootropic usage.
My mistake. But in my defense, the title of the original thread was "PPC in repeated resistance training, Building leaner body mass and reducing muscle damage".
Personally, I'd like to see someone log it in that context, as we already have a dozen effective liver protecting supplements.
But, good luck, I hope this stuff keeps your liver from turning into mush again.
Personally, I'd like to see someone log it in that context, as we already have a dozen effective liver protecting supplements.
But, good luck, I hope this stuff keeps your liver from turning into mush again.
Oh, if this is a PPC as (part of) PCT thread, I'm interested in seeing bloodwork, too.
Are you using oral methyls? I'd really be interested then.
Are you using oral methyls? I'd really be interested then.
Sorry for the confusion,I've decided to change things a bit.
The first three weeks of this log will be relegated to subjective feedback alone regarding PPC's effects on conditioning/strength as well as its role as a choline donor with interactions betweens nootropics noted.
I will start on a moderate dose masteron+proviron cycle (mast injected,prov oral) along with 10mg Havoc ED for 10 to 12 weeks after 21 days on PPC.
I may or may not use a lower end dose of test e towards the end of the cycle.
After 60 days on PPC I will have blood work done with follow up blood work done at end of the cycle,this will require another bottle of PPC (3 bottles and 90 days altogether) so I'll ante up with my next order at CN.
The first three weeks of this log will be relegated to subjective feedback alone regarding PPC's effects on conditioning/strength as well as its role as a choline donor with interactions betweens nootropics noted.
I will start on a moderate dose masteron+proviron cycle (mast injected,prov oral) along with 10mg Havoc ED for 10 to 12 weeks after 21 days on PPC.
I may or may not use a lower end dose of test e towards the end of the cycle.
After 60 days on PPC I will have blood work done with follow up blood work done at end of the cycle,this will require another bottle of PPC (3 bottles and 90 days altogether) so I'll ante up with my next order at CN.
How's it going?
Well,I wanted to give it a while before making any judgements as I thought the effects would be subtle and I was correct.
It's working on the same level as Alpha GPC would as far as serving as a choline donor and complimenting racetams.
Strength has slightly improved on some technical lifts (most noteworthy are DB snatches,which I've been doing heavier along the lines of 5x6x75 with minimal rest intervals).I haven't tried 1RM singles on snatching but I think I could probably get 90 with each arm without form swaying.
It's working on the same level as Alpha GPC would as far as serving as a choline donor and complimenting racetams.
Strength has slightly improved on some technical lifts (most noteworthy are DB snatches,which I've been doing heavier along the lines of 5x6x75 with minimal rest intervals).I haven't tried 1RM singles on snatching but I think I could probably get 90 with each arm without form swaying.
QUOTE(Colin @ Mar 21 2008, 03:57 PM) [snapback]467243[/snapback]
Well,I wanted to give it a while before making any judgements as I thought the effects would be subtle and I was correct.
It's working on the same level as Alpha GPC would as far as serving as a choline donor and complimenting racetams.
Strength has slightly improved on some technical lifts (most noteworthy are DB snatches,which I've been doing heavier along the lines of 5x6x75 with minimal rest intervals).I haven't tried 1RM singles on snatching but I think I could probably get 90 with each arm without form swaying.
It's working on the same level as Alpha GPC would as far as serving as a choline donor and complimenting racetams.
Strength has slightly improved on some technical lifts (most noteworthy are DB snatches,which I've been doing heavier along the lines of 5x6x75 with minimal rest intervals).I haven't tried 1RM singles on snatching but I think I could probably get 90 with each arm without form swaying.
Cool when you need more pills or blood tests pm me.
QUOTE(Colin @ Mar 3 2008, 11:58 PM) [snapback]463307[/snapback]
http://cognitivenutrition.com/index.php?ta...;product_id=126
I'll be using this for the next month,given the research on this compound I'm looking forward to this run.
Dosage will be 2 pills per day,taken apart from fatty meals when possible.
As of the last month I've been slacking with both aniracetam and piractam dosing and have been feeling pretty lethargic. I've started back up on them and will note any synergy between the racetams and PPC beyond what I've seen with prior choline supplementation.
I'll be using this for the next month,given the research on this compound I'm looking forward to this run.
Dosage will be 2 pills per day,taken apart from fatty meals when possible.
As of the last month I've been slacking with both aniracetam and piractam dosing and have been feeling pretty lethargic. I've started back up on them and will note any synergy between the racetams and PPC beyond what I've seen with prior choline supplementation.
Is this the same stuff that's in the product called "PhosChol?"
In terms of hepatic protection, how would this compare to something like Ursodeoxycholic Acid, theoretically-speaking?
QUOTE(undecipherable @ Mar 22 2008, 09:14 AM) [snapback]467369[/snapback]
Is this the same stuff that's in the product called "PhosChol?"
In terms of hepatic protection, how would this compare to something like Ursodeoxycholic Acid, theoretically-speaking?
In terms of hepatic protection, how would this compare to something like Ursodeoxycholic Acid, theoretically-speaking?
Same brand different name.
PPC has more research and based on mode of action far better.
Here's a massively detailed report.
QUOTE(SteveSliwa @ Mar 22 2008, 10:22 AM) [snapback]467371[/snapback]
Same brand different name.
PPC has more research and based on mode of action far better.
Here's a massively detailed report.
PPC has more research and based on mode of action far better.
Here's a massively detailed report.
Thanks, I'll check that out!
Well,I can say with certainty that my thinking is consistently more clear in comparison to time off of racetams and exponentially moreso with PPC in the use.I've been dosing one to two pills twice per day for just a bit over a month now.
As far as increasing physical stamina is concerned there hasn't been a profound difference but I should note that I use ergogenics regularly and have been for some time (beta alanine and SyntheSIZE) as well as liberal amounts of caffiene and the like.This is further compounded by the amount of very taxing physical activity I engage in six days weekly.There has been some noteworthy improvement though but it's difficult to quantify the degree of improvement with the forementioned variables to account for.
As far as increasing physical stamina is concerned there hasn't been a profound difference but I should note that I use ergogenics regularly and have been for some time (beta alanine and SyntheSIZE) as well as liberal amounts of caffiene and the like.This is further compounded by the amount of very taxing physical activity I engage in six days weekly.There has been some noteworthy improvement though but it's difficult to quantify the degree of improvement with the forementioned variables to account for.
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