Just found 100 of ErgoPharm's 1-AD. There doesn't seem to be too many user accounts out there on the main boards about this. I gather it converts to 1-test but with rather poor bioavailibility. A few q's

If it doesn't aromatize, like I've been reading, what sides am I looking at? How is it on the hairline, and what about lethargy?

Is it possible to make it a Transdermal. I have some penetrate coming in soon.

What, if anything, would it be good to stack with. I have some Havoc and some "iffy" juggernaut phera-bol. Would a combo of any of these two be worthwhile, or would this be better to run on it's own?

I'm not sure why I can't find any logs of this shit like I can with all the other banned PH's. Is it that bad or is it my weak ass searching skills?

Any input would be appreciated, this shit is getting old and if it's worth a damn I might as well use it.

That brings me to my final question. How hard would it be to make it methylated, or could it be suspended in BA or something along those lines for IM'ing (most likely a dumb question, but thought I'd ask given the poor bioavailability)

TIA

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?articleID=43

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/pro-horm...-prohormone.htm

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jeff2.htm

Thanks man, quite informative. Any opinion on wether this is good to stack with Havoc?

How about Phera-bol?

What is your opinion on making it TD, if any?

Thanks again, and all other input welcome, this shit is burning a hole in my cabinet lol.

LMAO

...you know the feeling.....admit it!

Just start using it at >300mg ED, alone or with a more "wet" compound for bulk (Phera-Plex or 4AD)...not Havoc as it is another "dry" androgen.

wow you've got this posted on pretty much every forum. Just take it with the rest of your dbol. When the dbol runs out switch to phera. Save the havoc for another cycle.

Yeah, I posted it on bb.com, and am. com. Like I said, there wasn't much user input out there on it so I tried to hit every angle. Figured 3 forums was enough, even if I have to sort through the drivel on bb.com (one guy just started insulting me because I "only" weighed 185 lbs off cycle. lol

So I guess it's PP then, time to check in and see exactly how bad this juggernaut pherabol crap is. From what I've read I've heard mixed things.

I have 18 10mg dbols left. Think it's best to run it at 20-30mgs a day, or try to stretch it out and get two weeks at 10mg. Would 10 even do anything in combo with 1-ad?

I still am very curious on the 1-ad sides, especially hairloss and lethargy. I keep reading mixed things.

Thanks guys......

I'd prob just go 20mg of dbol till it runs out. Maybe use it only pre-workout to stretch it a bit longer. The 1AD sides were pretty rough in my experience. Worse lethargy and irritability than any other androgen that I've used. It was liver friendly however, as I had only minor changes in liver enzymes. I think I put on around 15lbs using 1AD at 300mg/day along with 4AD at 900mg/day....but it was a few years ago so its tough to remember.

1AD is an oral though, so if you're experiencing sides you can always just stop taking it. You're not going to have to worry about a long ester sticking around for several weeks post cycle.

Thanks for the feedback quigs. Tru dat on the long ester, no worries here. I remember getting a gyno scare on Test E and freaking out about it's two week time frame.

So you got extreme lethargy WITH it stacked along with 4-AD? I read that the reason most people stack them together is to avoid that.
Shit man, I really hope that the week and half of dbol and PP counter this lethargy. If you got that and irritability (I am already prone to this off cycle lol) ON a stack with 4AD too, I am pretty worried. Are you prone to MPB or Acne? If so, how did the cycle treat you there?

Either way I guess whatever happens happens, I just started it today and will run it at 300 or 400mg a day with PP at 30mg a day for four weeks. If sides are not too bad I might drop the PP after a month and do two more weeks on 1AD before running a PCT (clomid, liver supps and some natural test boosters). I had someone reply to my other post at am.com and tell me that you need two bottles to run a full cycle. I guess he must be talking 6weekers or a real high dosage? I am awaiting his response. He also mentioned it was the strongest PH he ever ran and there was no need or point to stack it with anything. I replied and maintain that the only reason I am looking to run a stack is to counter the lethargy sides. I am lazy enough as it is, and hope the PP gives me a bit of a boost. I am also on a solid nootropic regimen inlcuding deprenyl and zyban (wellbutrin) to quit smoking and give me an extra boost. Plus I rely heavily on stims (I know it's bad, but my schedule as of now requires it) so hopefully those will abate the 1AD lethargy.

The dbol should conteract the lethargy and pissy mood that comes with 1AD. 1test solo made me a narcoleptic jerkoff, but 1test+4ad felt great.

Word. Too bad I only have enough for 9 days at 20mg a day...

Coincedentally I had a bunch of Nolva in the same exact capsules as my dbol and had them in an unlabeled bottle. After sorting through some shit, I can't remember if I have some extra dbol or some nolva. I opened the caps up and did a "taste test" but they seem to look and taste the same.

Anyone know if nolva powder looks and/or tastes much different than dbol? Lol

No idea LOL

Didn't think so

I'm gonna ASSume it's nolva, and maybe eat some if that first week of dbol makes my nipples swole the fuck up like it usually does.

If it's more dbol oh well.

If it's nolva, then yea! lol

ive run a cycle of this and 4-derm, took a while to kick in i didnt notice much water weight gain like some of the other PH's, decent strength gains and maybe a 1-3 pound gain in the six weeks i took the drug. Not quite as good as superdrol imo, and definitely is much. 4-derm stacks much better and super 1+ yields better gains.

1-3lbs in 6 weeks?! Damn, that's pathetic (no offense intended towards you FWIW). You could attribute to that to so many variables considering you were also taking HORMONES, I would say they did about nothing.

Have you ever tried phera-plex?

Hopefully I fare out better......

Not sure specifically about tamoxifen but most citrates taste pretty dang terrible...some sort of cross between bitter and sour.

i was already pretty heavy at the time so i was pretty happy with a couple pound gain in mass from such a weak drug. It was barely noticeble to be honest until i added the 4-derm, even then it gave me a little strength.

i havent tried PP, i have taken superdrol and M1t and both where better but M1t was shit wrt sides.

Yeah, I still had pretty bad lethargy with the 4AD. I probably should have run the 4AD at a higher dosage though. No androgen has made me as irritable as 1-test. Almost always in a pissy mood...especially towards the end of the cycle. I honestly felt worse on 1AD than I did on superdrol...although liver enzymes, blood lipids, and BP were much worse with SD.

I used ergomax (dmt) as well and its effects on mood were pretty neutral.

Stimulants did help a bit, but you never really feel quite right. Its only for a few weeks though so I'm able to deal with it. IMO, the results that 1AD provides were worth it.

For me it was the opposite. Strength gains were superior on 1AD than on DMT.