liorrh
Mar 12 2008, 09:06 AM
Continuing dissucssion of long-ester cycles, why not structure around they're peak and decline adjusting amount of short acting?
for instance:
If Test E:
Peak in blood appears after 12-15 hours and this is shortened to 8-11 hours to the 16th injection(1) (this is probably to being shut down and HL being a little longer than 1 week)
HL is 145-177h (6-8) days
so in essence if one is injecting every week, one could stack orals like so:
day 1 : inject x mg Test E
day 2 :nothing
day 3: inject/use oral steroid with short HL at low dose
day 4: same as day 3
day 5: inject/use oral steroid with short HL at medium dose
day 6: inject/use oral steroid with short HL at med-high dose
day 7: inject/use oral steroid with short HL at high dose
Repeat
one can use acute effects of said peaks/short acting AAS for workout boosts, while more importantly, keep androgenic and anabolic signals constant. one the things IMO and IME that really suck about long esters is up and down of mood, immune, etc. considering the graphs its obvious why! the consequences on long term hypothalamic regulations are not pretty, stabilizing with inverted curve short acting aas mya be a crude but effective mechanism to do this ( I know people have been doing this in the end of cycles, but why not from the beginning?)
Thoughts? or is this really delusional?
avantgarde
Mar 14 2008, 03:43 PM
I´d think if you´re looking to keep androgenic and anabolic signals constant you would have to know exacly what amount of oral X corresponds to a given amount of testosterone/long acting ester.
Moreover, as pointed out be PA, the half-life of AAS doesn´t say everything about their effects. If you take a tab of dbol, t 1/2 is likely 3-5 hours but the cellular cascade may go on for several days making "matching" even more difficult.
HPTA supression is, at this point in time, unavoidable when using AAS as effective dose means supression (yes this includes Anavar and Primobolan). Barring the use of SARMS the best approach (least bad) seems to use a moderate dose, add regular shots of HCG and follow with a good PCT (SERM etc).
If one is concerned with the immune system, Michael Mooney (the AAS for HIV wasting expert, Friend of the late Dan Duchaine I think) have stated that Primobolan improves immune function and there are some interesting studies on kidney patients on pubmed.
Lastly using orals will have an impact on liver function which may have negative effects on immune function (and NAC and Taurine may not be enough to offset this) - so if you´re looking to control immune response I´d say orals are out and so there goes the outlined theory (given the premises stated).
I think moderate-high dose primo + HCG shots (to avoid testicular athropy and keep reasonable testosterone levels for various brain and body functions) might be the health concious AAS users choice. I found primo very mild and if one is looking for max gains tren,test and dbol it´s were it´s at.
Personally I´d try to acheive the most stable blood levels possible by simply injecting as frequent as I feel comfortable with.
I´m not an expert by any means just my 2 cents.
Tall
Mar 23 2008, 07:39 PM
It would be easier to tattoo your own back than attempt to structure a cycle which will keep blood levels stable...
markog
Mar 24 2008, 12:17 PM
avantgarde- SARMMSSS *drools homer simpson style*, do you have any information on the release of these guys??
loirhh- Im not sure how well that would work but cycling the standard way is pretty damn effective so the old saying goes "if it aint broke dont fix it" and as far as HPTA suppresion (which is a total bitch) A really good PCT covering all bases is IMO prob better than tapering or these new methods that I dont really fully understand haha.....but i dont have much experience with AAS besides a bottle of superdrol once
liorrh
Apr 2 2008, 05:05 PM
reasoning is that my hamster feels a real drop in energy/mood on 1-2 days prior to the next injection.
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