A few questions to ponder regarding dextrose and WMS and shake timing, etc....

1. Would those in the know recommend a dextrose OR WMS mixed with Protein OR BCAA's for pre/during workout?

2.What about PWO?

3.Is the insulin spike with dextrose ever preffered (or whatever/however it effects absorbtion vs WMS) to WMS at any period before, during or after a workout?

4. I know the ALA vs R-ALA vs K-R-ALA vs Na-R-ALA, blah blah, debate might never be solved (or HAS it?? please let a nigga know if so), but assuming I am using plain ole ALA is there any point in taking it pre or during work out with dextrose OR WMS?

What about PWO? I usually do with dextrose and protein (about 300mgs) but would you want to with WMS?

All input welcome, spit it geniuses....

Thanks in advance

OMFG just downed 50g of WMS and around 50g of NP unflavored BCAA's + 10mg CM after my Back/Bi workout. No ALA cause I am assuming without the insulin response of dextrose it's not worth it (but that's why I made this post, cause I have no idea...)

It was just about the worst thing I have ever had to down, maybe it was because there was so much powder.

Coming in a close fourth behind Rhodiola, PEA, CEE, in that order. Ugh....

I am waiting to take actual protein because of someone's post on here (can't remember, think it was dashforce??) that said to wait 15 mins after consuming WMS to take protein. Not sure of the reasoning, but if someone typed it it must be true right???

unflavored BCAA's are always a mistake
WMS still has a high GI..probably equivalent to Dex.

you could try ALA for the partitioning effect..I prefer one of the newer forms R, K, or Na

I would try a form of ALA 10-15 mins before taking WMS + BCAA's

post workout I would use superCARB because I still don't think an insulin spike is ultra important, and glut-4 isn't picky, it may serve some benefit so I would do something like 50/50 SC and WMS post workout.

WMS's rapid exit from the gut can be impeded in the presence of protein/other stuff. Just a few grams of creatine, taurine, BCAAs, what have you with the WMS. 50g BCAAs would be way too much I think.

I'd opt for the insulin response PWO. I can't believe WMS would not create an insulin response, although I have no data either way.

Vitargo creates an insulin response quite similar to monomeric glucose/glucose oligiomers:

http://www.vitargo.com/PDF/KarinPiehl.pdf

Is there some reason you need to replenish glycogen so quickly (with WMS)?

Thanks for the replies.

So basically keep the ALA (or get one of the better forms) and teach myself that WMS is not better than dextrose because of it's GI (I thought it was lower for some reason). So it does affect insulin about as much as dextrose?

So is it a good idea PWO to do the WMS and creatine + MUCH LESS BCAA's 15 minutes before actual whey protein consumption or no?

What are your thoughts about during workout mixes?

Thanks again...

They don't have a GI rating for WMS/Vitargo, but I would guess that it is just as High as malto or dex...the osmality and particle size is different, thats about it

thats what I do, a few grams of BCAA's can stimulate protein synthesis to a very high degree, 15 g or so would be more than enough IMO


good stuff, I think you are fine so long as pre/post workout nutrition is set...but with that being said, one of the original tipton studies showed good results from 6g EAA's (including tryptophan I believe) and ~30g of CHO.

there are several good mixes on the market, I prefer BCAA over EAA, and you could also add your own carbs.

I would tend to dose the ALA away from workouts as the exercise will provide enough nutrient partitioning effects

Wow, that sounds awful. I was doing 25 g of BCAA when I trained under Ironaddict -- it was terrible. I vomited a few times. Found the easiest way was to parachute it by the mouthful chased by water.

Someone at his board (I think it was Trouble) theorized that it wouldn't be absorbed right if done this way, something about mass fluid transfer dynamics. I think I showed that it probably works fine with a little experiment I did.



"Not I," said the cow. Never tried WMS. I would think that insulin PWO would be okay, or at least a trade-off, as it appears that some amino acid transport into the cell is assisted by insulin. Not sure about the threshold for this, though -- for all I know it could be ultrasuperphysiological, or below fasting levels and thus irrelevant either way. Heavy would be the one to ask about this, I would think.

bro, I'm talkin' ALA for teh wicked pumpzorz only.