batmite
Mar 15 2008, 04:24 AM
I have created this thread in order to discuss a bit of everything as far as AMP v2 is concerned. I think that here we can both share our experiences and discuss some of the ingredients of AMP v2 and their mode of action.
So far, I haven't still taken over 3 AMP v2 capsules in a day, but the effects I feel are kind of remarkable. I had been using AMP v1 for months, so I guess I have quite a tolerance for geranamine, but AMP v2 gives me the desired effects anyway. The first times I took it I experienced some dizziness and blurry vision... perhaps it's part of the "buzz" it gives after all and a good sign meaning that this is a powerful product; to be honest, I don't know how to interpret these symptoms. Another physical effect this product has is that you feel the same taste in your mouth that you feel with ephedrine and salbutamol. Does this mean that some product in AMP v2 agonizes beta receptors? AMP v1 didn't produce this kind of effect whatsoever, so there must be some of the other ingredients (perhaps forskholii?) but not geranamine, definitely.
Finally, I would also like to discuss vanilloid receptor agonists effect on NE (norepinephrine) levels, but first I need some information. Does anyone know where to find info about these compounds? I have tried to use both google and pubmed without much success.
abraxas
Mar 15 2008, 08:58 AM
I'll throw in my two cents.
I liked AMP quite a bit but felt like the chocamine contributed a little bit of anxiety. Still I would take it a few times a week pre workout or before going out.
AMP 2 had less anxiety, but I found it to be inconsistently effective. Sometimes I would get a good energetic euphoric feeling, other times I got less...
After about 1 week of taking 2 pills 2-3 times a day I started to feel like shit. My vision was fuzzy and I felt off. It took a few days off AMP 2 before this went away. I can't say for sure this was caused by A2, but I don't have much interest in continuing to use it.
Colin
Mar 15 2008, 11:02 AM
QUOTE(batmite @ Mar 15 2008, 01:24 AM) [snapback]465982[/snapback]
Finally, I would also like to discuss vanilloid receptor agonists effect on NE (norepinephrine) levels, but first I need some information. Does anyone know where to find info about these compounds? I have tried to use both google and pubmed without much success.
Fiddlesticks,this is poor detective work for a Dark Knight.
Everything on the compounds would be available on Pubmed,you just need to change your search terms.
undecipherable
Mar 16 2008, 11:37 AM
AMP2 seems about the same as AMP to me, perhaps slightly less 'speedy' feeling. Subjective feelings of bodyheat, sweating, and energy expenditure in a workout seem about the same. I actually like the feeling pre-workout, especially when going heavy, but it can have its drawbacks too.
I have always found AMP to quickly grow 'ineffective' with frequent use, but it always comes back in nicely after a short time away. After the first couple of uses at two caps, I'll go right to four caps in order to find that threshold at which I feel, well... amped.
Again, this is subjective experience, but I'll tend not to feel/notice anything unless I take it on an empty stomach. I'll tend to take mine about 15 minutes before starting my pre-workout nutrition for that reason.
Definitely one of my favorites when it's at it's best, also it doesn't seem to cause as much drymouth as much as EC does, though generally I'll take them together.
batmite
Mar 16 2008, 01:00 PM
Took only one capsule today preworkout and it was great, much better than usual. As far as geranamine goes, I have been taking AMP v1 for a long time, so I have enough tolerance built as not to be able to feel significant effects from only 12,5 mg of geranamine (the amount in one AMP v2 capsule), so it's clear that the other ingredients are doing something. I also have to mention that today I listened to some music while I was training... perhaps that had something to do with the effects I felt: geranamine blocks norepinephrine reuptake and music helps to increase adrenaline, perhaps it was just that. Couldn't tell.
ChemicalPA
Mar 19 2008, 05:07 PM
QUOTE(batmite @ Mar 15 2008, 01:24 AM) [snapback]465982[/snapback]
I have created this thread in order to discuss a bit of everything as far as AMP v2 is concerned. I think that here we can both share our experiences and discuss some of the ingredients of AMP v2 and their mode of action.
So far, I haven't still taken over 3 AMP v2 capsules in a day, but the effects I feel are kind of remarkable. I had been using AMP v1 for months, so I guess I have quite a tolerance for geranamine, but AMP v2 gives me the desired effects anyway. The first times I took it I experienced some dizziness and blurry vision... perhaps it's part of the "buzz" it gives after all and a good sign meaning that this is a powerful product; to be honest, I don't know how to interpret these symptoms. Another physical effect this product has is that you feel the same taste in your mouth that you feel with ephedrine and salbutamol. Does this mean that some product in AMP v2 agonizes beta receptors? AMP v1 didn't produce this kind of effect whatsoever, so there must be some of the other ingredients (perhaps forskholii?) but not geranamine, definitely.
Finally, I would also like to discuss vanilloid receptor agonists effect on NE (norepinephrine) levels, but first I need some information. Does anyone know where to find info about these compounds? I have tried to use both google and pubmed without much success.
i think its the zingerone in the formula that is a big part of it being better. i know it makes clearshot alot better than a formula with just caffeine and geranamine
ChemicalPA
Mar 19 2008, 05:09 PM
QUOTE(batmite @ Mar 16 2008, 10:00 AM) [snapback]466120[/snapback]
Took only one capsule today preworkout and it was great, much better than usual. As far as geranamine goes, I have been taking AMP v1 for a long time, so I have enough tolerance built as not to be able to feel significant effects from only 12,5 mg of geranamine (the amount in one AMP v2 capsule), so it's clear that the other ingredients are doing something. I also have to mention that today I listened to some music while I was training... perhaps that had something to do with the effects I felt: geranamine blocks norepinephrine reuptake and music helps to increase adrenaline, perhaps it was just that. Couldn't tell.
we were going to include music in the formula but we couldn't figure out how to get it in the capsule without being stoned out of our minds on LSD
batmite
Mar 21 2008, 05:35 AM
QUOTE(ChemicalPA @ Mar 19 2008, 05:09 PM) [snapback]466848[/snapback]
we were going to include music in the formula but we couldn't figure out how to get it in the capsule without being stoned out of our minds on LSD
The fact is that the music I listened to is the kind of music that makes me feel adrenaline-like, hehe. That's why I hypothesized that maybe it boosted catecholamine production, whose effect was then magnifyied by the noradrenaline reuptake inhibiting properties of geranamine!
batmite
Mar 21 2008, 05:44 AM
QUOTE(ChemicalPA @ Mar 19 2008, 05:07 PM) [snapback]466847[/snapback]
i think its the zingerone in the formula that is a big part of it being better. i know it makes clearshot alot better than a formula with just caffeine and geranamine
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Some pungent principles of spices cause the adrenal medulla to secrete catecholamine in anesthetized rats
T Kawada, S Sakabe, T Watanabe, M Yamamoto and K Iwai
Department of Food Science and Technology, Faculty of Agriculture, Kyoto University, Japan.
We recently reported that capsaicin, a pungent principle of hot red pepper, evokes catecholamine secretion from the rat adrenal medulla. In this study, the effects of some pungent principles of spices on adrenal catecholamine secretion were investigated as compared with that of capsaicin. An increase in catecholamine, especially epinephrine, secretion was observed not only on capsaicin infusion but also on piperine (a pungent principle of pepper) and zingerone (ginger) infusion. Even on infusion of the same amount (650 nmol/kg, i.v.), the order of potency as to catecholamine secretion was capsaicin much greater than piperine greater than or equal to zingerone. While, sulfur- containing and volatile pungent principles, allylisothiocyanate (mustard, etc.) and diallyldisulfide (garlic, etc.), did not even cause slight catecholamine secretion. Furthermore, these adrenergic secretagogues were readily transported via the gut into the body. These results indicate that some pungent principles of dietary spices can induce a warming action via adrenal catecholamine secretion.
batmite
Apr 2 2008, 04:23 AM
Update.
I've been taking 3 caps a day several times a week and it works like heaven. There must be something great to this zingerone compound. Try reading a book while on the effects of this product, you will be charmed at how fast you read, although that also happenned with AMP v1. On the other hand, I have to say that this product makes you really talkative.
chemgoddess1
Apr 2 2008, 09:46 AM
I will finally have a chance to try the new stuff this weekend. Nothing like trying stuff on workdays and going nuts in the lab!
ChemicalPA
Apr 7 2008, 10:54 AM
QUOTE (chemgoddess1 @ Apr 2 2008, 06:46 AM)

I will finally have a chance to try the new stuff this weekend. Nothing like trying stuff on workdays and going nuts in the lab!
take with food. it can give heartburn.
i think that is mostly from the fursultiamine. But i need to ask, has anyone ever heard of raspberry ketones causing heartburn irritation?
ozzman
Apr 7 2008, 10:59 AM
Not I....and I'm prone to it. Couldn't take Basic Cuts because of it....but that is cayenne. RKs never a problem
Bachovas
Apr 7 2008, 11:11 AM
QUOTE (ozzman @ Apr 7 2008, 10:59 AM)

Not I....and I'm prone to it. Couldn't take Basic Cuts because of it....but that is cayenne. RKs never a problem
Had the same reaction. Never had heartburn from RKs, even straight.
Got me some of the new AMP, will be trying it soon.
lethaljd
Apr 8 2008, 09:51 AM
QUOTE (ozzman @ Apr 7 2008, 11:59 AM)

Not I....and I'm prone to it. Couldn't take Basic Cuts because of it....but that is cayenne. RKs never a problem
Basic Cuts f'ed me up with that cayenne. That heartburn was something fierce! Haven't had any issues with RKs other than delightful raspberry burps.
batmite
Apr 13 2008, 07:17 AM
Two unexpected effects I have felt that might be due to AMP v2 are:
1) Increased libido.
2) Far more self-confidence when talking to other people.
Anyone else has felt anything like this?
Mitosis
Apr 18 2008, 09:34 AM
QUOTE (batmite @ Apr 13 2008, 05:17 AM)

Two unexpected effects I have felt that might be due to AMP v2 are:
1) Increased libido.
2) Far more self-confidence when talking to other people.
Anyone else has felt anything like this?
Yes....
Along with less appetite and some killer workouts.
Mitosis
Apr 18 2008, 09:47 AM
QUOTE (ozzman @ Apr 7 2008, 08:59 AM)

Not I....and I'm prone to it. Couldn't take Basic Cuts because of it....but that is cayenne. RKs never a problem
Agreed.....Basic cuts just about made me die on an empty stomach....
RK however is smooth sailing.....just a nice smelling supplement bottle.
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