Well, I have begun the stocking up process of some of the designers. I've been reading extensively on the matter, yet seeing as how this is a more mature forum, I figured we could have a decent discussion about the current OTC supplements seeing as how very little discussion of these compounds there are on these boards..

Anything regarding these compounds would be fair game..


I'm still very hesitant to use any of the compounds that I have stocked up on, as I dont feel that I am completely ready.. I still want to believe that there is some nutrition/training protocol that I have yet to try that would lead me further w/o the use of these 'supps'..

But until that time, the bottles remain vacuum sealed in a box..


I recall there being some concerns over CEL's M-Drol..

Your 'supps' are steroids, the sooner you call them that the better. As far as anything new goes, I've no ideas. TRN and TST were fun, Pmax for a while, maybe Havoc?

Steroids ARE in the title, I know that's what they are, hence "supps" in parenthesis.. It's funny how most online and in person stores label these as just another supplement.. One local place here was trying to sell some of these steroids as if they were glutamine caps..

TRN and TST, too bad they were discontinued.. saw some good feedback..

Balls, missed the thread title. Go shop the classifieds, theres always someone unloading something interesting

I'd vote for Havoc and for HD50, first version.

Given the greyness of this area, let's confine things to discussions of the particular compounds and leave out where to find them.

Yeah, that's what I'd like to get at with this thread..


One thing that I had always been wondering about is the fact that people note that the first cycle is the 'best' cycle, for obvious reasons; so why not make it as successful as possible. Meaning, optimizing many pathways that are "virgin" to chemical enhancement.. Say, in addition to some OTC anabolics, say throw in insulin, t2/t3, maybe a GH booster like Powerfull and possibly a few other "ingredients" in addition to a variety of supplements.. Now I know most would say that I'm crazy, but say you had an individual who was well informed, in a scientific-non-brotelligent way and was willing to experiment, would enhancing these and similar pathways overall build on each other during one's first cycle?



Another thing for those guys who have already used anabolics, how did you know when you were ready? Did you just jump in or did you wait until no further natural diet or training manipulation produce much in the way of results?

Sorry but you shouldnt knock any 'brotelligence' since you are a virgin, scared to pin with the big boy needles, and talking about using insulin. Insulin is the most powerful hormone out there and I would not recommend it to 80% of people including those w/lots of AAS experience based on the serious danger involved. No regardless of whatever level of intelligence you think you have, you should not use insulin in your first cycle.

bb

I can't speak for OYI, but I'm not afraid to pin. I'm afraid of going to jail for posession of scheduled drugs.




I do agree w/ you on the insulin. That stuff is bad news, IMO.

LOL, I'm not talking about me personally, but for a given individual in general.. I'm not scared to pin, but risk losing a 150k+ job, keeps my options limited..

I guess I'm talking hypothetically as to optimize the time at which more growth tends to occur.

Any word on Propadrol?

Someone had mentioned it containing the same active as Kilosports' Revolt.. But I have yet to compare nomenclature or feedback.. Can be tricky with all the synonyms used..

Revolt: http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/kilo-sp...lt-90-caps.html

Propadrol: http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/est/propadrol.html

Revolt = 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one 25mg = Ergomax LMG clone?

Propadrol = 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene 17 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholove-3-ol proponate 30mg

The unconventional nomeclature makes it hard to tell what's what but they don't appear to be the same thing. Both claim to be progestins which may keep them from being scheduled but I don't know about their DSHEA compliance.

13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one and 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene 17 are the same, with the exception of the ethyl group placement, which is not trivial.

Seems companies call any 19-nor steroid a progestin.

Someone get PA in here...

Are these legal and also are they effective? Are they better than Epithiostanol or Tbol analogs?

Thanks

Z

My apologies my initial response was a little aggressive (kudos to Chuck Diesel and his DTHC). I would recommend igf and mgf but NOT insulin. Insulin is very dangerous and I have heard MANY stories of guys who were very experienced w/slin getting careless and almost dying.

bb

The Revolt is kind of subjective, I didn't like it it is to much of a wet compound,Propadrol is still to scarce as far as logs and feedback goes. IMO they are not as good as the Tbol analogs and not even in the same ball park with Epi.

Thanks, I appreciate your opinion.

Z

Any word on Trenadrol?

Supposedly its a clone of MTRN but the results seen in the logs are not nearly the same.. Supposedly Generic labz never released the formula and Kilosports was merely a guess at the structure..

Thoughts?

I think there is a post on AM that Trenadrol is truly the same compound in Tren Xtreme,too bad as MTRN really kicked ass.

The problem with that though is that most people report that Tren Extreme is wet whereas Trenadrol tends to produce dry gains..

Honestly, I dont think its the same and I dont think Kilosports know what in it..

Kudos to Benson's request, but to be VERY CLEAR please discuss compounds in general. No discussion of where to get anything thanks.

I honestly think it is Estra-4,9,11-triene-17b-methoxy-3-one, as this was a compound PA talked about in MD and it appears to have the 17b-methoxy, which MTRN has and PA says that this is unique to this compound.Because the TRN full listing on back is 17b-methoxy-trienbolone, which kind of fits the chemical name somewhat. But the 17b-methoxy is the giveaway.But then again that is just a guess on my part but it fits the best of anything I could find out researching this subject.