Have you ever heard of any of these:

1,4,6-Androstrienedione

2,(5a)-Androstea-7b-ol-acetate

17a-methyl-2-androstene-17b-ol

My supplier told nme has these instock but I just can not find any info on these, I already asked him to provide me info but I thought I start here on M&M.

Thank you for your time,

Z

The first one looks like the aromatase inhibitor ATD(but with a typo). Not sure about the second one yet, looks like another typo. The last one is DMT.

Thank you very much!

Yes , it could be a typo since english is not his first language. I already asked him to double check because I could not find info on those. DMT is illegal,right?

Thanks again,

Z

Not sure. As far as I know, it's still being sold in most of those Phera clones though.

I thought DMT was still legal????

I think it still technically is, but I didn't want to say yes and have him order a ton if it isn't for sure. Ya dig?

Thank you, yes it is still legal and after he sent me an email with the "other" name I realize it was PHERA and I was just selling it,lol. I may get more people I know is a favorite.

How about these:

1-Androstene-3b-ol,17-one

4-9 estra-diene

Also instock

Thanks

Z

Yes Madol or DMT is still legal. Some companies received stop letters from FDA but I believe those letters were not required but suggested; I think the companies didnt want to get into a legal battle.

bb

1-Androsterone (DEA Legal, Pending DSHEA Compliant) - Rating 10

** Search 1-Androstene-3b-ol,17-one

(best used for size and strength gains in cycles of 4-6 weeks @ 300-600mg/Day)



4,9 Estra-Diene (DEA Legal, NOT DSHEA Compliant) – Rating 9.5

(best used for size gains in cycles of 4-6 weeks @ 300mg/Day)

FROM: LINK

4,9 Estra-Diene (FinigenX TM) from BB.com.

Yup I think that is FinigenX TM: Link

Yeah, you're already selling the second one in bulk.

19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3, 17 dione is what I believe we are not out of stock on. And you think this is the SAME as 4,9 Estra-Diene? I know they are both progestin based products but I would like someone to verify they are the same.

Based on this thread, am I correct in assuming that Zsupps is selling compounds that they cannot identify by nomenclature when presented?

Seems odd that he (or she?) asked, 'hey, what's this?' And someone replies, 'Uh, you sell that'.

Just wondering. Maybe I'm missing something.

No. Our supplier gave us a list of products that are available. Z posted a list of them to get people's inputs instead of searching himself; he is pretty busy. There are several nomenclatures for steroids/ph's (which I guess is how AX can trick people into buying their overpriced DHEA aka Superdrol NG).

Rpen claims that 19-norandrosta 4,9 diene 3, 17 dione (which we currently carry in bulk)

is the same as: 4,9 Estra-Diene. I have not seen any reliable verification of that claim.

So please Shakes verify your facts before making such a claim. Please find 1 product on our website (and the link is in my signature) that we dont know what it is.

Z merely posted a list of products our supplier in China said were available. We at Z Supps like to get the consumer involved in the process of selecting and bringing products to market.

bb

I am just presenting what I was offered by my supplier last night is all, I wouldn't jump on it just because he offers it . I need to make sure what it is first and most of all if is legal, I do not want to get in legal trouble for selling illegal substances.

No , the compound I have instock is not the same as estra,4,9-diene they are similar but not the same.

Nothing wrong with asking, I am being upfront about this and your opinion is always important, I want to offer what you guys think would be best is all and of course I want to sell my items not let them sit and collect dust.

I am not chemist nor am I a GURU or expert, I know some basics but I try to learn everyday from members like yourself and others, can I be wrong about a product? YES i can but please realize I would never put it for sale unless I am sure of its legal status or effectiveness. I have a long list of other PHs I never even heard of that my supplier has offered me , among them some legal primo, legal var, legal oral tren ( not methyl tren ) etc, etc..I just think those are too "unknown" and may actually fall into the illegal AAS category and that is why I do not even bother with them.

Thanks again,

Z

A claim doesn't end with a question mark. But, thank you for clarifying.

No the insult was implied I think. Or is that "...I think?" I'm just saying there is no need to imply that we dont know what we are doing. Unlike Rpen who made an unsubstantiated claim, I have provided links to information on the 2 substances.

thanks,

bb

No insult. I wanted clarification. If I wanted to insult the company, I would have come up w/ something better than that.

I sincerely thank you for clarifying. I did mention that I may have missed something.

Thanks. Again we want to assess consumer demand & product efficiency BEFORE we bring something to market. This board is full of some very sharp guys w/lots of experience. So we are just bringing the community in here!!

bb

You have two tests for a new hormonal product, first it can't be on the DEA schedule and second, to legally sell it as a supplement, it has to occur someplace in nature, preferably in something a human might be likely to eat. There are very anabolics that fit both criteria...DMT among them.

Yes, Z get more Phera clone, I missed out on the first sale, but will not miss again if you get more.Pretty Please:)

Okay, first of all, I was just trying to help you guys. Second, where is the link that has information showing a difference between 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione and estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione?

If I'm wrong, I'll admit that. I was just stating what I believe to be true, which is that "Estra" and "19-Norandrost" are synonymous.

Don't mind babyblu. He seems to get his panties in a bunch rather easily.

If that is the Androsterone that AMS is marketing , I would be very interested in the bulk product if you could get your hands on some.

18-METHYL-4,9(10)ESTRADIENE-3,17-DIONE

1-propinyl)-4,9-estradiene-3-one)

1,5(10)-estradiene-3,4,17-trione

4,9 -estradiene-17.beta.-ol-3-one

D-estradiene-4,9-ol-17fl-one-3.

hydroxy-4,9-estradiene-3-one

4,9-estradiene-3,17-dione

17α-propinyl-4,9-estradiene-3-one;

There are lots of similar progest substances, and if you look at the wide variety of tren-like ph's out there, you can see there is a wide variety of steroids made out of them but there are differences. So what Im saying is that we asked about "4,9 Estra-Diene " and you claim its the same as "19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione ". Now Im no scientist or guru either and my days of organic chem are long gone but those 2 dont appear the same to me. As you can see above there are several compounds that contain 4, 9 estradiene & they might be similar but certainly not the same?

bb

Yes. I understand that there are many substances with similar nomenclature.

I'm not saying those two names are completely the same, but that I'm assuming it's what he meant since that's not a full name for a compound(unless you know something I don't).



Until we know what the full name of the compound is though, I don't see how you can say that my assumption is wrong and that no, it's not what I'm saying it is. I'm willing to bet that Eric was referring to Estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione when he wrote that about 4,9-Estra-Diene. What other products out on the market have that in their name? I can't think of any.

Who is Eric?

Anyway, it does not matter because I am not getting it ,lol. I am only interested in TBol analogs, epithio, ATD ( or is it ADT ), formestane, maybe Phera clone and/or the 1 androsterone depending on price which I am still waiting for.

Thanks,

Z

Eric Marchewitz aka LegalGear, the one who wrote that blog on prohormones that bb quoted.

I'd like to see a raw powder of LG's prohormone that is supposed to convert to DHT (Stenolone).. Liquid Masterdrol V2 i believe it is and also EST's Methyl XT would be NICE..

Definetly interested in the bulk 1-androsterone, and more Phera clone.

Yeah its ATD. ADT is the home security company.

Ok, I just got confirmation that the 19nor and the 4-9 estra are not the same, the 4-9 estra is actually a bit more expensive.

Thanks

Z

Thank you

Z

Did you find out what the difference is?

No, I do not care to carry it anyway.

Z

So.... Can I manufacture Test from DHEA in my bathtub, or some other legal your supplier can obtain? I understand many designers are actually made from Andro...

ADT is also androsterone, ftr.

I remember PA promising to release an ebook on how to manufacture various illicit compounds from PH's pre-ban to drive immedite pre-ban sales. I think some legal issues popped up and he decided it wouldn't be such a great idea shorty after.

So we are sure that all the substances in discussion WRT sale are legal in the U.S. correct?

Yes they are, I would not risk my freedom for small profits. I just wanted to offer raw materials because people seem to favor it these days but I can also sell finished products which i think I might after all.

Thanks

Z