I've picked up 10 grams of this and will be using it along with 12.5% Xandrox and Prox-N,starting this weekend or there abouts.Just need to buy some Everclear so I can make a solution,which I'll be applying 2x ED.

I'll take some pics of my scalp beforehand and monthly,this should be money for MPB.

Are you receding or thinning? (or both) If it works for receding, sign me up.

Both.

Apparently it is the most effective MPB treatment that's been produced,there's been independent testing on the powder from this source and it's been verified as legit.Decent price too at $30 per gram.

Nothing I've tried in the past has done anything at all for me and I've run the gamut;dutasteride,spiro,finasteride,Dr.Lee and Dr. Proctor's stuff,Folligen,Nizoral,T-gel and emu oil.A lot of the forementioned I ran concurrently so I was hitting multiple angles.So if this shit works I'l be content as far as not resorting to shaving my head for the remainder of my life.

You may be better using a 50/50 ethanol/PPG mixture as a solvent. I don't know the science behind this but I think that this was what was usually recommended in hairloss forums in order to brew spironolactone solutions.

The funny thing about finasteride/dutasteride is that some people seem to be non-responders as far as their goal (stop hairloss) is concerned but seem to be responders as far as undesirable side effects are concerned. For instance, a particularly shitty side effect is the lack of muscle hardness look you end up getting as time goes by... your skin just doesn't as thin as it used to be anymore and your abs aren't what they used to be... your belly looks kinda puffy and your whole body seems to have a tendency towards puffiness.

I've got specific directions on how to brew a solution,just haven't gotten around to doing it yet.The goods did manifest themselves several days ago so all else is in order.

Were the durasteride and finasteride prescribed from a doctor, or did you get them some other way. I ask this because if you recieved generic or "underground" sources they might have been fakes. Fina did seem to slow down the hair loss for me (started when i was 18 and switched to dura 1-2 years ago) and dura has completly halted it. Im only 1 person, but on paper, dura would completly prevent dht related hair loss, unless your doing steroids.

I had a script for Propecia (used for around 9 months) and got Avodart from a reputable supplier online.I think I used dut for over 6 months w/no benefit.I also was using topicals at the time as noted above so I was using the best means of treatment available and I asn;t using PH's/AAs or any other hormonal drugs/supps back then either.

I plan on one cycle of masteron/proviron in a week or two and then I'm done with anabolics for good.

Exception being that I will be using low dose anavar 15-20mg ED for its effects on joint health long term but var doesn't raise DHT and it's a low dose anyway.

Masteron is 2-methyl-DHT, so either the methyl group at C2 changes its properties radically or you might experience some hair loss problems. This is a close cousin to superdrol, but without C17 methylation. The methyl group at C2 prevents deactivation by 3HSD at muscle tissue, but I'm not certain to what extent it would do this. The thing is that, for a given degree of androgenic side effects, you will get at least some anabolic effects (which wouldn't happen with DHT since it would be readily deactivated at muscle tissue). It's more a matter of assessing anabolic/androgenic ratio than of measuring androgenic activity isolated.

Anabolic androgenic steroids, as their name implies, have both anabolic and androgenic activity (in different ratios), so you cannot expect that a given steroid doesn't produce hairloss just because "it doesn't convert to DHT". Things are far more complicated than that and, in the same way that DHT binds to hair follicle cells androgen receptors, other steroids will bind there as well... the degree with which once bound they will activate those genes related to MPB is very difficult to assess with our current knowledge. In the end, your best bet - if still want to use androgens - is to use the ones that have showed the highest anabolic/androgenic ratio (methenolone, oxandrolone, nandrolone,...) and leave everything else out of your plan. The problem with these ratios is that they have been pulled out of studies done on rats, where anabolic activity was measured by weighing the levator ani muscle, which later showed to be likely to respond to androgenic activity as well. This, coupled with the fact that we cannot be certain that something that is not very androgenic at the prostate is not going to be very androgenic at scalp hair follicles either, make these studies not very realiable. Nonetheless, you always have the scientific research done on women and children, who, after receiving VERY MODERATE doses of oxandrolone, didn't show virilizing side effects at any level (hirsutism, voice, virilization, etc.).

Not to offtopic here, but the growing stigma associated with AAS has led to the current situation of lack of enough scientific research in issues such as these: what AAS are less prone to cause MPB? All we can do is speculate, create hypotheses and use a less than realiable empirical evidence.

Another pretty "safe" bet would be that of using testosterone along finasteride. In any case, if you are going to use androgens that don't undergo 5-alpha-reduction (conversion of T to DHT for instance), it's still more essential that you use a topical AR blocker such as RU, since it's the only thing you can do to prevent "damage" there... not interacting with 5ar enzyme, using fin/dut with masteron or oxandrolone would be pretty useless.

At last, I would like to clarify that even if you injected pure DHT, the effects on hairloss wouldn't be as dramatic as those resulting from T reduction to DHT. This is because DHT synthesized in the cells by the action of 5ar enzyme seems to be more effective at producing MPB (and prostate hypertrophy) than that coming from the bloodstream. I don't have any scientific study right now to prove this, but it was an issue discussed over and over again in hairloss forums. In fact, if I recall correctly Patrick Arnold had an article that quoted a study of people with BPH who had been administered injectable DHT and had improved their condicion... either because the exogenous DHT blocked their own T production and thus stopped the T to DHT conversion process at prostate cells, either because it antagonized the Estrogen Receptor, which may also play a role in prostate diseases. In any case, if the former hypothesis is correct it would mean that the internal T to DHT conversion at specific cells is worse than the "DHT coming from the bloodstream".

Thank you for the well thought out reply.

I expect hair loss from my upcoming cycle but I'm using the particular compounds as they should help reduce my gyno.

WRT var,I agree that hair loss is a possibility.But I may very well be quite fine as far as not aggravating MPB with low dose var at around 15mg per day (total) ran by itself with a strong topical anti-androgen and adjuncts in use.

have you started using this yet? im anxious to see how this works, i'm about to order some myself

I have not,it's sealed in my fridge as I have not been able to ascertain the ideal carrier to use.

I've read that ethanol and prop glycol may be good but IDK the percentages of each to use.

Anyone?

Really great stuff, batmite, as well as your post about how certain steroids are more anabolic than androgenic and such and how it has to do with the amount of time it stays attached to receptors and so on. You should write some articles.