Spring has definitely sprung when even the "cold" days are 60 degrees and temps are moving back into the mid 70's. Along with this, we get daylight savings time, leaving ample time to bask in the rather pleasant San Diego sun (which I will, regrettably, be leaving in a few months). As such, I really need to do some cutting to rid myself of the adipose tissue that has accumulated this winter around my hips/back, stomach, and chest (thanks to sloppy eating and a general lack of activity that always seems to accompany winter).

My 3 week plan is as follows:

Fat burner
Clenbuterol - 100mcg per day
Taurine - 6g per day; in order to keep the cramping from the clen down, and for general health.
Benadryl - 25mg every other day; in order to help keep the Beta receptors from desensitizing.

Fatty Acid/Ligand Goodness
CLA - 4g per day; from NutraPlanet.
Sesamin - 3g per day (of actives; 6g of the oil)
Fish Oil - 3.6g per day (of DHA/EPA only; 12g of the oil)

Appetite/Muscle Sparing/Etc.
Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) - 12g per day; a host of benefits, supposedly synergistic with the Histidine.
Histidine - 8g per day; claimed to be an appetite suppressant, and I really want to see what the combination of the two is like.
Creatine - 10g per day
Glycerol - 3g per day
(Reference: Spook)

Other
Clomid - 30mg per day
Multi, ZMA, Nootropics, Etc.

In addition to this set daily "regiment", I will be using black tea/coffee/Amp2 as needed.


Daily Breakdown

On Rising:
50mcg Clen
6g IP6
4g Histidine
1.5g Glycerol

Breakfast:
2g CLA
1g Sesamin
1.2g Fish Oil
5g Creatine
6g Taurine
2 Multi

Lunch:
50mcg Clen
1g CLA
1g Sesamin
1.2g Fish Oil

Dinner:
1g CLA
1g Sesamin
1.2g Fish Oil
5g Creatine

At Bed:
6g IP6
4g Histidine
1.5g Glycerol
30mg Clomid
3 ZMA

I will be jogging 2 miles every other day, in addition to the ~3 miles I walk daily (for transportation). I will also be doing HIIT/Interval Sprinting (Reference: Loki). I don't weight train much these days, but I will be doing some upper body work with dumbbells at the house, along with some ab work. I have a good deal of residual muscle from my days of working out heavily and playing sports, more than I'd care to have, really (I used to throw shotput and discus).

As far as food goes I'm going to be eating as clean as possible (aiming for a hypocaloric diet), and I'm really not one to care much about specific macro breakdowns (If you hadn't noticed yet, I'm not a body builder, I don't really want much muscle - I just want to be healthy and fit). That said, I'm aiming for a high protein breakfast, a lean meat for lunch with some veggies, and the same for dinner (if I feel like eating dinner). Throughout the day I snack on almonds/walnuts. I'll definitely be adding additional fiber with my meals, and (maybe) protein shakes between meals (don't want to accumulate too many calories).

I'll consider any dietary advice offered, but my main goal in this post (was) to receive feedback on the supplement doses and combinations. I would especially be interested if anyone has any (additional) recommendations based on the areas I am trying to lose fat from (which were mentioned above and are mostly subq, although I may have a little vat).

EDIT: Updated quantities; added a couple items; added a daily breakdown; cleaned things up.

9 DCP, 2g Sesamin, and Clen? I hope you enjoy muscle cramps.

Well the goal of the taurine is to help attenuate the cramping. Do people think the dose will need to be increased? Maybe my exercise regimen will need to be modified to accommodate some cramping, which I am ok with, but it cant get in the way of daily life.

taking 9 dcp is not advisable really, no matter how much taurine you take. I don't think taurine is the problem on dcp anyways. That "cramping" may actually be myopathy, the breakdown of tissue.

Ok fair enough, that dosage suggestion was from Dsade. Given my goals and my other supplements what would be a more reasonable DCP dose? Do the doses of the other fats look good? Any other support supplements I ought to consider adding?

FWIW, I've noticed better results from DCP when utilizing a hypercaloric diet rather than hypo (as I'm assuming you are going to). That is, using it as more of a "Damage Control" supp., as the name implies, rather than as a fat burner. I've noticed the same with Beza and Gem, by the way. Perhaps sesamin would be better suited to your pursuits. I'm sure DCP will do some good too, but I have concerns about cramping issues when combined with everything else.

Well I am already using sesamin, but thanks for the suggestion. And maybe I'll just drop the DCP, and save it for a time when I am recomping. Sound like a good idea? Assuming, then, that I drop the DCP, how does the rest of the setup look?

EDIT: People usually have all sorts of comments on posted diet plans (usually because they are pretty bad), I can only gather based on the dearth of comments that my (new) set up is pretty good..... (see the first post for a continually modified version of the diet)

Albuterol (or E) instead of Clen, and over a longer period -- Proven clinically in human trials.

Forslean

Combo of:
7-Keto
Carnitine
Yohimbe Hcl (30 mins pre-cardio, then wait a few hours before hitting the Eph or Albuterol)
Caffine

Thanks for the suggestions. I have Ephedrine and Clen already, so I'm planning on using the Clen (because I already have it, and Im tired of Ephedrine). I can add Forskolin and ALCAR in (dosage suggestions? I don't really want to search around atm), and as for the 7-keto, doesnt that need to be transdermal? I'm not sure if I want to get all messy here.

Sorry, must have missed the sesamin in that long list you've got there As for the diet, I think some definite tweaks could be made, but you specifically stated that you were looking for feedback on the supp. stack, so I avoided the diet altogether.

I have done a fair ammount of research on diet, and I know it could be better, but my primary goal is to be a good student and have fun, and some diets get in the way of that. If you have any suggestions that arent too time consuming I am certainly open to them.

(by the way jogging two miles is alot harder on clen, I imagine its only going to get worse).

My main suggestion is pretty easy to implement...cut the cereal and/or carbs for breakfast. Have your pita/hummus during the day or have a small amount of carbs with dinner. That's it!

OK, point taken. Any suggestions on easy/fast non-carb breakfasts then? I guess a protein shake is easy, but that wont last me very long.

I eat eggs with salsa and green chili, cheese and some hamburger sprinkled on top. Sometimes bacon, sometimes a low-carb tortilla or a piece of fruit. When in a hurry, a can of tuna + mayo + low carb wrap is in order. Or some meat + cheese + low carb tortilla -> microwave -> salsa + sour cream =

Sounds awesome if im recomping/bulking, but it might be hard to keep the calories down with all of that. But I suppose a can of tuna + eggs is fast (except washing all the dishes, heh). Not really the best mix of foods, but it could do.

protein shake and fish oil caps should keep you full for a while but if you want some more breakfast like, try dry curd cottage cheese + sugar free log cabin syrup + cinnamon. Mmmm

I thought I was the only sugar free syrup/cottage cheese/cinnamon guy....

I aslo like cottage cheese with fiber one cereal and/or choclate whey.....good stuff right there!

I also love fat free/no sugar added vanilla ice cream with a little sugar free syrup on refeeds......good stuff.

I would agree based on my experience.

Thanks for the breakfast ideas guys, I'll definitely get some cottage cheese (although im skeptical of the whole syrup thing). Any further suggestions?

Since the Coachella Arts and Music Festival starts 3 weeks from today (fuck yeah!), I am beginning this diet on Saturday, and planning to run it until I leave for Coachella.

Well today is my first day, does anyone have any suggestions on the revised plan posted above before I get too far into it?

Are you sure about the IP6 dosing? That seems like a ton. Mineral absorption might be an issue.

Well if you click the link for the reference, Spook had suggested that kind of dosing 2-3 times a day. For cost reasons, I am only dosing that amount once per day. I don't think that I should have too many problems with mineral absorption as I am ingesting my minerals at times other than when I am ingesting the IP6. Additionally, it is only a couple weeks, and thats not really long enough for any kind of real deficiency to develop.

I was cleaning up my bookmarks and came across this study I had saved from long ago:



Now, it is known that 7-Keto inhibits 11b-HSD1 (see: here, for example). Because it is mostly effective on SAT tissue, which is what I am aiming to lose, my interest in transdermal 7-Keto has been peaked (again). In doing a cursory search for a transdermal 7-Keto product, I came across this: DermaBolics 7-Cort. One concern I have about the Dermabolics Carrier is I dont know if it is a local or systemic carrier (does anyone know which one this is: the old FL7 or the old AbSolved carrier?). I know Abliderate is another option (and maybe preferable since it is known to be local), but it is out of stock at NP.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Should I go with this product, or is there a better/more cost effective way of doing this?

EDIT: Either that, or I may take 100mg 7-OH-DHEA twice a day in a pill I whip up at CustomCapsule, which seems MUCH more cost effective.

The Dermabolics carrier is systemic. 7-Cort is a rebranded FL-7.

Thanks dude. Since Abliderate is out of stock (and may not ever be back IN stock), I am going to go with the 7-Hydroxy in the Custom Capsule I am designing in the Basic Supplement Forum.

As an update, I am already noticing my abs leaning out (significantly leaner). Which, needless to say, has shocked me since its been such a short time.

At this point I'm going to turn this into a bit of an informal log. Mods, feel free to move it to the log section if you like.

I should mention that I started ramping up my Clen dosage (starting at 50mcg) on April 1st, and began the rest of the diet (because it finally arrived) on April 5th.

Now a little over a week later, I am significantly leaner in my abs and chest, but my hips/back have a ways to go. It's amazing what can be accomplished in just a week. I must say that after receiving the Taurine in the mail, that the clen cramps all but disappeared, which has made the HIIT much easier/possible.

The IP6/Histidine combo has been interesting. The IP6 is quite revolting to take, it has this concentrated medicine smell/taste that evokes my gag reflex if I dont plug my nose while swallowing it. For that reason alone, I have reduced my dosage to 12g daily (6 on waking, 6 before bed). Additionally, the histidine is a very effective appetite suppressant, but it is the sort of suppressant that makes you slightly nauseous at the thought of food, and gastricly uneasy in general. This would be great on a diet with a huge caloric deficit (like the one Spook introduced the dosage protocol for), but on a small deficit it got in the way of eating. As a result I reduced its dose to 8g daily (4 on waking, 4 before bed).

Have you noticed any down sides to histadine supplementation? It interests me, but I'm kind of concerned about it aggravating my allergies (especially my allergy induced asthma).

I'll move this to the logs section for you.

Thanks.

Actually I havent noticed any of those sorts of effects at all. As an asthmatic and someone with extreme seasonal allergies, I presume I would manifest symptoms if they were possible, but I havent noticed anything. The great thing about the histidine is it doesnt taste terrible.

Today I decided to go without the IP6/Histadine combo, and I can say that a bit of my appetite has returned, and my stomach isnt quite as uneasy. It is certainly doing something acute (whether it has longer term benefits, Im not sure what I think). I am dropping the HIIT from my training because the couple times I've done it, it has been too much on the clen. I feel that I am loosing fast enough without it in any case.

I am beginning to wish I had taken before pictures because this cut is looking very successful. I cant wait to see how I look in two weeks.

Well the only major update is that my endurance has plummeted. I get muscle burn simply from doing the walking I do every day (which, granted, is over 3 miles), but thats really unusual. Additionally, I have really struggled to make it the full two miles on my jogs. I am contemplating dropping the jogging until I am off the Clen.

Coincident with this change, my experience with the Clen has shifted. At first it provided a lot of stimulation and made me super energetic (maybe even a bit tweaky), but now it barely increases my wakefulness. I have had to add my tea and AMP2 back into the fray in order to keep my energy levels up. I just feel really depleted. I presume this is a sign of receptor down regulation, which makes me think I should drop the Clen soon (probably by next weekend).

maybe try a carb up?

Good idea. I'll grab a Burrito today and see if I feel any better (any excuse to eat a burrito is fine with me). I doubt it though, because the depletion I feel is different from the feeling I get in ketosis.

Is it benadryl supplementation that is supposed to refresh the receptors on Clen?

Yeah thats the theory anyways. I usually dont go for brotelligence, but it also improves my sleep on the clen (which has a ~36 hour half life), so I take it most evenings.

Today I am feeling a bit better, but I have completely dropped the Histidine/IP6 from my cut. It was making my stomach too unhappy.

I still have a rather weak appetite, however, and after experimenting with my meal structure today, decided that I was eating too much for the current supplement setup. I felt perpetually like I had low blood sugar levels (which I probably did, lacking all those carbs), so I would eat to try and refresh my mind, only leading to more sluggishness. Today I cut back (without effort, it was taking effort to eat, actually), and I am feeling quite a bit better.

Well I am feeling great today. I dropped my dosage to ~60mcg of Clen, and 2 AMPv2 daily, and life is much more pleasant. This combined with only eating when I am hungry (which is less frequent than I had been eating) is doing a lot to keep my energy up.

Here is a summarized version of what I am actually doing at this point (in case anyone cares):


Well after doing a lot of reading on (a) love handle reduction, (b) spooky derm, and (c ) TRPV1 agonists, I have decided to pick up a bottle of Napalm (and had it rush shipped, so it should be here by monday at the latest).

I plan to enhance the Napalm with some clen, and I think this may really help the reduction in the spots I am focusing on. I am also thinking of adulterating it with MOAR raspberry ketones - specifically because of their ability to enhance skin elasticity, which I hope might help with lose skin! Do any avant guys have any recommendations on how much I could add without over saturating the carrier matrix?

On the other fronts, appetite is still low, I've been eating roughly two decent low carb meals daily (following, more or less, the guidelines in Berardi's "Gourmet Nutrition" - but with less carbs), with mixed nuts spread in between these meals.

I have eliminated all exercise besides the mandatory daily power walking (it is my method of transportation, and I am always late). It was really rather futile to try to do HIIT or even to jog two miles. I am still doing bodyweight exercises for general fitness, and I am in the process of developing a customized program adapted inspired by Pavel Tsatsouline's "Naked Warrior" (and other sources; see: Here for an example).

Nonetheless, fat loss is moving forward rather rapidly, and since I never did before pictures/measurements I have no real way of quantifying it. But, I think it looks like I've gotten much slimmer, and for what its worth, my roommate even commented on it (randomly). I do feel like there has been some muscle loss too, but that doesnt worry me much (I can always build it again if I decide I really want it).

More of the same. I got off my diet a bit this weekend, mostly because of 4/20 yesterday, but I am back on track now. Things are going relatively well. I will be starting the Napalm when I return from coachella (beginning of next week), and I will continue the cut sans clen.