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Jay Black
So, I've been looking into some of the legal compounds and have come up a few conclusions about the legal androgens out there and the stack I'm considering...

Either:
Bold 200 800mg ED
H-Drol 50-75mg ED

or...
Bold 200 800mg ED
Furazadrol 150mg ED

Both cycles being 6 weeks...reasoning is all 3 compounds seem to be pretty mild and "user-friendly", such the reason for stacking 2 orals. Also, the bold and the h-drol don't seem to give effects right away, which necessitates a longer cycle. My goal is to cut/recomp, so I'm not looking for anything to crazy, but still effective. Superdrol makes my gyno worse, Havoc doesn't give any results, Phera-plex potentially will make my gyno worse, Oxyguno feedback is less than impressive, and anything else I've really looked into would probably make my gyno worse. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. I don't know much about these legal designer steroids, I admit. But, personal convictions have led me away from anything illegal.
Mitosis
Personally Id go with Pheraplex and furazdrol.


But given the choices...

Id go with Bold/Hdrol.

I am not a fan of Bold....after using equi, it does not come close for the price IMO. I am a superdrol or pheraplex kinda guy, but I am on furazadrol now and it is pretty good for being so mild. I had awesome results with H-drol, I was surprised from it.


I would rate them....

Superdrol- awesome.,strong and gain clean weight, after a few weeks I get tired,lethargic and I just "feel eh"

Bold- never done well with it, even at 600-800mg ed

Pheraplex-my favorite considering cost/sides/gains.

Furazadrol- good for a nonmethyl....but not superdrol for sure.

Hdrol- hard,strong but lethargy....for the methylation and cost Id rather just take oral turinabol.

Havoc-never tried it...all the reviews say its awesome...but I cannot say.
Jay Black
Aye...problem with phera is the increase in blood pressure many have noticed, and the gyno risk is quite high.

And, yes, I'd rather take oral turinabol than any of these, but, not gonna do it.
D-termine
Pussy.
D-termine
Ok that was mean. You're always stressin about BP, that's really not as big a deal as you are making it out to be, even with concurrent use of amph. But PP has given me fits of gyno in the past, so I'd stear clear. Try to find yourself some Mega TRN, that shit was bomb. Luckily I still have some myself, and once my ART is done I'm gobblin the shit out of it. Check out George Havener's thread about otc anabolics, I thought it was rather point on for the most part. It's in this forum somewhere
B5150
QUOTE (D-termine @ Apr 1 2008, 12:06 PM) *
Ok that was mean. You're always stressin about BP, that's really not as big a deal as you are making it out to be, even with concurrent use of amph.
No disrespect but that is not true. Elevated BP is a serious health issue to those who are concerned with their health. Obviously concern is an individual choice. Even short term use can cause sustained elevated levels long after. Maybe not today or tomorrow but that does not mean it should be taken lightly. JMHO

When (or if) you get old you'll understand LOL biggrin.gif
Tall
QUOTE (Jay Black @ Apr 1 2008, 12:37 PM) *
So, I've been looking into some of the legal compounds and have come up a few conclusions about the legal androgens out there and the stack I'm considering...

Either:
Bold 200 800mg ED
H-Drol 50-75mg ED

or...
Bold 200 800mg ED
Furazadrol 150mg ED

Both cycles being 6 weeks...reasoning is all 3 compounds seem to be pretty mild and "user-friendly", such the reason for stacking 2 orals. Also, the bold and the h-drol don't seem to give effects right away, which necessitates a longer cycle. My goal is to cut/recomp, so I'm not looking for anything to crazy, but still effective. Superdrol makes my gyno worse, Havoc doesn't give any results, Phera-plex potentially will make my gyno worse, Oxyguno feedback is less than impressive, and anything else I've really looked into would probably make my gyno worse. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. I don't know much about these legal designer steroids, I admit. But, personal convictions have led me away from anything illegal.


I assume however that your PCT will not be 'Legal' ...?
Benson
It would be interesting to see if you developed hypertension while taking an ACEi...

I believe that HCTZ would probably counteract the hypertensive effect of steroids but this is just a semi-educated guess.
Jay Black
Tall: When I say legal, I actually mean non-scheduled. So, yes, my PCT is legal.

D-Termine: Yes, hypertension is a serious condition, known as the "silent killer"...never heard that before? I'm 24 and am already being treated for hypertension; I'm not going to do something that will exacerbate it further. Phera-plex has spiked several individual's BP.

I think I may just go with H-Drol by itself at a higher dose...
undecipherable
I would go for Havoc over Halodrol.
Jay Black
Havoc has done nothing for me...both times I've tried it. Once at 30mg ED and another cycle at 40mg ED.
Mitosis
QUOTE (B5150 @ Apr 1 2008, 12:16 PM) *
No disrespect but that is not true. Elevated BP is a serious health issue to those who are concerned with their health. Obviously concern is an individual choice. Even short term use can cause sustained elevated levels long after. Maybe not today or tomorrow but that does not mean it should be taken lightly. JMHO

When (or if) you get old you'll understand LOL biggrin.gif



Hypertension...the silent killer.

You know I was thinking about the low back pump thing. I get them when I run....that was the only time...ocaasionally wlaking, but most running.
undecipherable
QUOTE (Jay Black @ Apr 1 2008, 11:07 PM) *
Havoc has done nothing for me...both times I've tried it. Once at 30mg ED and another cycle at 40mg ED.


Interesting... What has worked for you in th past?
Jay Black
What's worked:
Test prop and enanthate, EQ, anavar, d-bol, proviron, 1test, M1T, Superdrol, and topical 4AD.

What hasn't:
Havoc, 19-Nordiol, and 1,4 bold (but I don't think I did this cycle correctly, it was one of my first a long time ago, dose was probably too low and didn't use long enough).
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