Anyone,

About how much and how long should I run clomid for a 4 weeker of 30mg PP and 300 mig 1-AD?

Thanks in advance...

7 days 100mg clomid ED; followed by 21 days 50mg ED.

I don't want to pass on bad info, but I think benson was a fan of 5 days at 150mg, then finished off with 50mg daily? I have been looking for where I read that for a while now, but I have yet to be able to find it.

How long is the "finish off" period?

I was under the impression (maybe wrongly so) that PCT for this sort of cycle would be about two weeks. Are you guys telling me I should run a full month of clomid for the month I was on these PH's?

TIA

I always ran a full month for pct on my little oral cycles, but I was on a Nolva kick. I'm new to Clomid, so....

I think 100mgx5 days--->50mgx15 days would probably do the trick. If your nuts are not back to their normal size by then, continue clomid @ 50mg/day until they are.

The length of PCT is fairly unifrom and does not vary based on the length of the cycle (very long cycles being the exception). PCT for a 4 week cycle would look very similar to PCT for a 10 week cycle.
I no longer use clomid because of the side effects it causes. However when I did, I would follow the classic protocol I would commonlay see:
Day 1: 300 mg
days 2-7: 100mg/day
days 8-31: 50mg/day
I really prefer nolvadex for PCT. It works just as well with fewer sides.

My nuts have never shrunk from ANY cycle, including 750migs Test E and 40mg dbol a day. I must be the exception to the rule but I am sure that nut shrinkage can not be fully indicitave of shutdown.


Also, I used to use Nolva but Clomid seems to be the choice around these parts and I have some so I'll give it a try.

What would be a wise amount of time to lay off until I ran a Havoc cycle (I've got a bottle burning through my supp drawer), time on + time of pct?

Kinda sucks having to wait so long for such relatively week PH's. Next time I think I'll just wait to run a full blown 10 weeker with a Test base and kick it off with a month of dbol or something. Fuck PH's. I think I'll find better uses for my liver in the future.

captain: what sides are you reffering to? From what I've gathered, besides for the emotional pussification of clomid, I thought it had less potential sides than Nolva (IE permanent vision changes)

Thanks again guys...

Clomid can cause the boys to be a bit extra "plump", so you can look for that.

I'd go with 4 on, 4 off, and just use the clomid to bridge (meaning run it the 4 full weeks regardless of if you think you're recovered) if you want to use that bottle of Havoc so bad. Then run another 4 week PCT of clomid, same dosing protocol, and take an additional 4 weeks off anything before starting your next cycle. All that might not be necessary, but why risk anything else? Also, get bloodwork done...at least check to make sure your liver, lipids, and all that jazz are normal before the Havoc run.


I hate this. There aren't any other real side effects from clomid. People around here need to let their balls drop (figuratively speaking), man the hell up, and quit being such whiny idiots about using clomid. "Waaaaahhhhh, it makes me cry at a movie!!!"

Its individuals like yourself who probably lack real world experience and therefore really need to think before writing. Clomid makes most people an emotional mess.
There is really no need to lose motivation and become emtotionally distraught when there are other choices out there. If you insist on using something more similar to clomid look into toremifene. It works quite well and will not make you feel like laying in bed all day, lacking all motivation.

You are. Testicular volume is a fairly good measure of activity for most men.

You are combining two very androgenic (pro)hormones. Did you think this through? Seems like a waste, and not a pleasant cycle.

Go back to your coloring books with the pop-up pictures. Try to stay in the lines, too. When you grow up, read the rest of my post.

PCT makes most people an emotional mess, not clomid. Yes, it's a potential side effect, but the problem is people like yourself who continue to push the envelope and spread the panic of it turning you into a woman. Refer to the clomid thread where all of this was previously discussed, and you'll see clinical studies showing the actual side effects with clomid use, rather, the lack thereof. When you're finished that, read some of my posts around here, then get a clue.

Listen, unlike yourself apparently, besides just sitting on my ass reading about what works and doesn't work I have experimented with various methods.
Keep thinking whatever you like about clomid. Have a fuckin blast. When you come back crying like a woman asking "why is my PCT so miserable?" I'm going to laugh my ass off.
Clomid has no physiological side effects. As we both agree on.
However, a PCT that included clomid has always been far more miserable for myself and others. I have done PCT with clomid only, with nolvadex and clomid, with nolvadex only, while using AIs such as aromasin or arimidex and while not.
PCT with nolvadex only is a much more pleasant experience and does not cause as great an emotional change as does PCT with clomid.
But thats right, your aparently an intellectual phenomenon who can color in the lines...........

:sigh:

I've done plenty of PCTs using clomid, clomid/nolva, and nolva (with and without AIs).

As a matter of fact, this most recent PCT which ended quite recently consisted of clomid/6OXO/Activate/IGF and it was absolutely spectacular. I lost fat, gained strength, and felt great the whole time.

Does FH and LH activity differentially affect this? I saw an abstract the other day where something (can't remember what ) enhanced or preserved FH while LH reamined suppressed -- could the spermatogenic effects of FSH increase / maintain testicular volume in spite of suppressed LH (and thus test)?

I'm pretty sure that spermatogenesis requires T in addition to FSH but its possible that I just made that up.

Scroll down about, I made a post in this forum about what to run with 1-AD. After thinking it through with other peoples input, it was the best choice I had.

I've never gotten sides from PP and 1-AD combined with it was nice in terms of gains, little tough with lethargy, and besides that relatively free of any sides. I ran Liver protection throughout.

Overall it was a decent once apon a time legal cycle, but like I mentioned above I will most likely run some Havoc I have and then forget oral PH's all together and get some real shit.

So is it possible some males don't get shutdown from exogenous hormones??? If what you're saying about testicular volume is try it seems as though it might be a possibility.

Its possible although its more likely that your nuts just don't react the way most men's do in terms of volume changes. You would need blood tests to confirm.

So, did you not run this cycle, or did you? PCT?

My nuts never really used to shrink either, but my last (and longest) cycle I noticed it big time. I won't tell you the story of how or why my balls were on display, but it was rather disappointing to find out in such a public forum...

Why not? You were so willing to share just a few months ago!