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Frangible
Acute After Exercise: Workout Details:
- 12 miles, biking hard against wind/hills on return trip
- Noted lactic burn / twitching (almost failure) at one point in both glutes during workout
- Noted lactic burn in foot muscles during workout (was trying to target foot muscle development by using primarily toe area of foot to pedal. Occurs to me now that while this did make the muscle(s) I was trying to target contract and work hard, it also changes the muscle activation in the legs and moves a lot of the force on the down-stroke to calf/glute instead of quad, and on up-stroke, moves some activation from glute to quad)
- After workout, legs felt like jello
- No soreness/pain/DOMS in legs 0-72 hours post-workout
- Health:
------ Sleep OK
------ Drugs: Dexedrine 15-40mg/d, naproxen 220-440mg/d, ibuprofen 0-400 mg/d, caffeine 30-200 mg/d, no alcohol
------ Positive affective mood, Low stress
------ Close to baseline calorie intake/high protein diet, adequate fluid intake
------ Supps: Typical stuff (multivitamin w/ 60mg ginkgo/ginseng, GTE, u-3s, resveratrol, taurine, chromium picolinate, HMB, zinc/magnesium) and Havoc 20-30mg/d (aromatase inhibitor)

Acute After Exercise: Spasm Details:
- Happened when leg muscles relaxed:
------ Last two nights lying in bed
------ Lying on couch
------ Sitting with feet propped up
------ Sitting with most of weight on pelvis and little on feet (allowing muscles to relax)
- Location:
------ Glutes/calves on both legs
------ Usually soleus(?) on right leg only (back of calf, just above achilles tendon)
- Resolve with massage

Acute After Exercise: Stretching/Rolling Details:
- Left calf a bit tighter than right
- Glutes tighter than normal
- Foot muscles slightly sore when rolling (on bottom of feet) but relieved quickly

Chronic Spasms: Details:
- Foot muscles
------ First noticed at least ~5 years ago
------ When resting heel / achilles tendon area on elevated support with legs straight/extended
------ ------ Severity and occurance vary, not sure why
------ Mild pain/discomfort
------ ------ More than the post-exercise spasms mentioned above
------ ------ Increase with duration of relaxation, usually do not manifest until it has been relaxed for 15-30s
------ Foot history
------ ------ Flat feet
------ ------ Overpronate / legs collapse inward if I'm not paying attention
------ ------ Classified as "inflexible" as large amounts of arch support in shoes usually used to counteract overpronate cause severe pain/inflammation
------ Professional Opinion
------ ------ Physical therapist advised limiting duration to maximum threshold of comfort but still doing it weekly
------ ------ ------ In retrospect, I may have been placing the elevating support more towards the foot than she intended, not sure if it's supposed to relax foot muscle
- Other spasms
------ Occasional other spasms, typically small in various locations
------ Much less frequent now than in past, maybe once every couple months that I notice, happened ~1x/week or so in distant past
------ Mild discomfort; feeling similar to discomfort of blood pressure cuff on arm fully inflated
------ Do not appear to readily massage away
------ Are attenuated with mild pressure of fingertip
------ ------ Feel a "throbbing" sensation with finger
------ Professional Opinion
------ ------ Doctor had no idea and seemed puzzled, but another friend knew exactly what I was talking about and had them as well
------ ------ Could not find any data online with all attempts at phrasing the symptoms in varied ways
------ Possible theory
------ ------ Throbbing sensation from finger and sensation in area itself resembling blood pressure cuff make it seem like it may be blood vessel related
------ ------ ------ But... only references in literature to blood vessel spasms I could find were severe problems with many other symptoms
------ ------ ------ I have low BP / cholesterol
------ ------ ------ Never correlated with activity, arousal, stress, stimulant use, etc

Questions:
- Post-exercise leg spasms
------ What is the significance, if any, of spasms without any DOMS/pain/soreness?
------ What is the significance, if any, of spasms instead of DOMS/pain/soreness? (ie: are spasms due to a different type of injury to muscle vs. microtears that normally cause DOMS?)
------ Am I correct in assuming I should be resting the muscle?
- Chronic foot spasms
------ Why do these occur? Lack of flexibility? Tension in other muscles (calf/glute)? Weak foot muscles? Damaged muscles with limited elongation? Untrained stretch reflex in golgi bodies?
- Random throbbing spasms
------ Any ideas here?
Frangible
I guess no one else gets spasms or something.

I applied some Celadrin creme last night which supposedly increases the healing rate of connective tissue injuries quite liberally, and it is also 1.3% menthol or something. (whereas Ben-Gay or Icy Hot are like 30%+) At any rate, it did produce the analgesic effect and therefore muscle relaxation.

One interesting thing I noticed was that as some upper leg muscles started relaxing and were effected by the analgesia, I started feeling pain on the outside of my right ankle, despite it also having menthol on it.

I suspect what happened was I had enough of an overuse injury in my ankle for whatever reason to make the leg muscles contract to support it defensively. After that, I felt no pain/soreness, as the ankle was relatively stiff and the leg muscles were doing the work. Sort of an auto ankle brace. The reason the shit spasmed may have simply been the body still sensed injury peripherally and re-contracted the muscles I was relaxing as a protective reflex.

I also noticed a similar "link" between the bottom of my feet and some random quad muscle(s) just above the knee that were in contraction. Perhaps in that case, it was the feet contracting to take stress off the knee area. Although the quads are massive muscles and the feet aren't, so that seems a little weird. Another possibility is the ITB runs just above the kneecap in that area, and its tightness (increasing injury) can be due to hip muscles not relaxing properly for whatever reason. So maybe the chain of dysfunction there would be [whatever] -> hip flexors -> ITB -> feet.
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