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Can it be mimicked by another drug or supplement?

It takes of ab fat on me like non other, tren included

just visceral? damn.

Yeah, I'm confused. You contradicted yourself. Ab fat is not visceral fat. At least, not in my interpretation of your phrasing.

yup, sorry guys

I meant abdominal fat.

M4OHN

I thought that was simply the prohormone to oxandralone (var)? Not to mention, no longer legal?

Nevertheless, I'm trying to find out what specifially is it oxandrolone that causes this profound fat-loss specific effect. I love my tren but not even it can compare in IMHO.

I never really heard anyone come out and say they loved var because of the fat burning.

I think its the strong affinity to the brotilligence receptor.

"I love Var because of the fat burning"



M4OHN ran at 80-120mg shreaded midesction, hip, thigh and ass fat off me like nobodies business. While doing so increased LBM and vascularity (vascularity remains 6 weeks out)

The broceptor?

Have you ever run it?

Nothing like it for fat burning. "bro"telligence or not, ask around for people who have used. 9 our of 10 if not all 10 will tell you the same.

What kind of dosing is producing these effects?

var and MOHN are completely different, the latter being a derivative of nandrolone. they are similar in one important way, though - they both have a hydroxy/OXO modification....i'd have to do some more research to find out where that mod happens or what it means, but i think it's on the A-ring and consequently affects the interaction with aromatase and 5AR...no clue why it (possibly) helps fat loss, though.

i suspect any 5A-reduced steroid will give the appearance of leanness...look at primo, masteron, winny, etc - all dry and hardness-promoting.

80-120? Holy crap. Didnt they come in like 4mg tabs? So like 20-30 tabs a day? Holy crap.

I'm not arguing that it doesn't help, I'm just saying all I've ever heard about it is that it's gentle on the liver enzymes, doesn't shut you down (proven to be false) and that it's somewhat decent for putting on a little muscle and taking off a little fat, which could be said about any steroid really.

But that's awesome if it does that, man.

Rec'd dosage was way too low. Many good ones went missed out on because of this. An other was M-Dien.

They also supplied it (both) in powder form at a very discounted price when it was legal. I just happened to notice a good compound. Too bad so many were just trying to make money off it. I did not pay all that much for powder. It was about 25-30% retail

That makes a lot of sense.

I have a log of m-dien here, which, according to people who read it, said m-dien did nothing.

yeah but 120mg? Is this stuff not methylated like other kinds are?

What was your diet like? Did you notice shut down hard? How long did it take to get back to even with the hpta? was sleep affected?

I have ran m4ohn at very high doses, and I have never noticed any results that what were anywhere close to being on the same page as var.
Furthermore, the only AAS that I would say helped me burn fat was tren. I never noticed any direct fat burning effect from anavar. Are you sure it isnt your improved diet and increased cardio while taking the anavar that makes it seem like it is burning fat that much more effectively? An improved diet in conjunction with some AAS, associated with lean gains, can cause a dramatic effect in body composition.

Sure thing buddy. I'll take your word for it. why bother with science if a dude on the internet can tell it like it is?
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My hamster has ran var on occasion.

There is actually a singular study to back this up...comparison of oxyandrolone to test enthanate that showed a preferential fat loss in the abdominal area (both SAT and VAT) over nine months of treatment in older obese men.

They actually ended up testing it against TE and nandrolone because the lipids got so bad in the var group by three months that they switched them to nandrolone. When they did this, the VAT losses were reversed although the subjects continued to lose abdominal SAT.

No dose data but don't you love these cycles...nine months of TE...

With all the much-due respect to you and the other intelligent members on this board, I'm so surprised to hear that very few have experienced this lipolytic effect. I say this humbly and respectfully so please do not take it any other way, but it is as well known among bb'ers that Anavar/Oxandralone causes fatloss as it is that Tren is the unparalleled body composition king. I hope this came off respectfully as that is my intent, to investigate/discuss the methodology as to why/how this occurs. It rips the belly fat off me with no dietary changes, again, better than Tren. I'm at 10% so maybe I am able to see it a little better than some?

No offense taken.
However, I have been involved in this game for a long time now. I have come across many people saying that anavar is great for recomp, hardening of the muscles, dry keepable gains and increase in strength without huge increases in size (great for powerlifters). It is commonly known to use anavar during cutting cycles for all these reasons. It is easy to burn fat while on anavar (or many aas) while maintaining or even incrasing LBM. I truly feel anavar gives the illusion of burning fat, however, it is more of the factors that I mentioned above that are causing noticeable differences in body comp.

Yes it is. I ramped to that over 8 weeks. The sweet spot is about 100mg. Minimum 80mg. Previous blood work confirms my ability to process this without any unusually adverse or adnormal lipid or liver issues. BP does get elevated to borderline hypertensive at that dose.

I'm not going to outline my diet. I diet cyclical low carb. All the same and usual supplements and ancillaries and the addition of M4OHN was significant. I run TRT. No more sleep issues than any other time I diet like that.

Honestly... You guys to need to realize who you're talking to here... I mean really.